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zenimpulse
    What if Apple's patents on curved glass and their glass expert hires were never for a phone?
    hcmarks
      @zenimpulse What if Apple just wants to make windows!?!?!
      zenimpulse
        @hcmarks lol. "Introducing the iWindow! It's just like a regular window, except it costs $399 and has aluminium trim!"
        hcmarks
          @zenimpulse Actually, a $400 window isn't *that* out of the ordinary.
          zenimpulse
            @hcmarks I feel like maybe it's been staring us in the face the whole time, just like all the patents/acquisitions revolving around the iPad.
            hcmarks
              @zenimpulse Until Gene Munster says an iWindow is coming, I'll believe it exists. :-P
              zenimpulse
                @hcmarks Haha, not talking about the iWindow now :P
                hcmarks
                  @zenimpulse Are you talking about a watch? I still don't see one coming for awhile, if ever.
                  hcmarks
                    @zenimpulse I don't doubt they're working on a prototype to see what it would be like, but not for mass production.
                    zenimpulse
                      @hcmarks Maybe, but I'd like to think they could still surprise us.
                      zenimpulse
                        @hcmarks They've seen Pebble, they've seen Up and FuelBand and FitBit; Tim Cook is on the Nike board, too. It's not outside the realm of possibility for them to be building something this early on.
                        hcmarks
                          @zenimpulse Like I said, nothing's impossible and I'm 100% sure they've got test units in the lab, but I don't think anything is going to come to market anytime soon.
                          hcmarks
                            @zenimpulse It has to be more than just a conduit for getting your text messages and emails. If they can lump in FitBit functionality, that's a start, but there has to be more.
                            zenimpulse
                              @hcmarks Of course, and that's where the rumors about NFC and device authentication come in. I could see the device being an always-ready auth token for real life.
                              hcmarks
                                @zenimpulse And it's going to take a lot for me to ditch all other watches in favor of one digital one. For me, watches are jewelry. They must complement what I'm wearing. An iWatch is just one watch and if it doesn't go with that day's suit, it stays home
                                zenimpulse
                                  @hcmarks Maybe so, but lots of people have stopped wearing watches. Apple could bring it back. Plus it would make a super effective halo device.
                                  hcmarks
                                    @zenimpulse I think a lot of nerds have stopped wearing watches. I wouldn't say most people have.
                                    zenimpulse
                                      @hcmarks Everyone I see on transit with a smartphone does not wear a watch. Obviously that's not a huge sample size but it's not statistically insignificant.
                                      hcmarks
                                        @zenimpulse Most of the people I work with wear watches. Businessmen, bankers, lawyers. Also not statistically insignificant.
                                        zepfhyr
                                          @hcmarks @zenimpulse Pardon the interruption, but I wanted to throw in my two cents. I don’t wear a watch because they’re unnecessary in a world of smartphones. But, if you gave me a watch that eliminated the need to hold my phone for certain tasks…
                                          zepfhyr
                                            @hcmarks @zenimpulse …it would be well worth my money to buy one. As for the jewelry aspect, I’m certain that if Apple thinks they can make more money with different designs/cases, they will. As will third-parties. I’m going to go back to lurking, now.
                                            zenimpulse
                                              @zepfhyr @hcmarks Yep, this exactly. It's not going to be for everyone, but it is going to change the way we use mobile devices in a realistic way that's not a pipe dream like Google Glass is right now.
                                              prometheus
                                                @hcmarks I stopped wearing a watch because it was easier to read the time on my iPhone...and I could be quite certain the time was correct, even if I had just landed in a different time zone. These features would HAVE to be added to any "iWatch".
                                                hcmarks
                                                  Ppl who believe watches are unnecessary b/c of smartphones obviously don't see them as anything more than machines. They're not computers - they're personal statements. They're wardrobe complements. They do more than tell time. They help tell ppl who u are
                                                  zepfhyr
                                                    @zenimpulse @hcmarks I feel rather strongly that Google Glass is the wrong way to think about the right problem: impairing our vision and getting in the way. An iWatch could be visible when necessary and tucked away when not.
                                                    zepfhyr
                                                      @zenimpulse @hcmarks Include GPS support and when you happen to be in an area where the iWatch and your iPhone have something to tell you, it vibrates and a message appears on it. Just like Google Glass, but without all the bothersome eye candy. #SWIDT
                                                      hcmarks
                                                        @zepfhyr ok, so a message appears on it...requiring me to pull out my phone to reply to it. I fail to see how this reduces friction in any way. @zenimpulse
                                                        zenimpulse
                                                          @hcmarks @zepfhyr It reduces friction in that you no longer have to pull out your phone to know if the message is worth replying to at the moment or not.
                                                          zepfhyr
                                                            @hcmarks Fully agree with your statement. Which is why I don’t wear one, as I make my personal statements in different ways and a watch was unnecessary to tell time. An iWatch would make a personal statement about me, as well.
                                                            zepfhyr
                                                              @zenimpulse @hcmarks Exactly this. And what if the message isn’t something to respond to, but simply a notification that that place you love is having a lunch sale and it’s a block away, and oh look, you haven’t had lunch yet and it’s about that time.
                                                              zepfhyr
                                                                @zenimpulse @hcmarks Oh, and since it’s tied into your calendar, it could also tell you that you don’t have any appointments, so you totally have time to finish picking up your dry cleaning after you eat and can still make it back to the office in time.
                                                                zepfhyr
                                                                  @zenimpulse @hcmarks All of the heavy lifting would, of course, be handled by the iPhone in your pocket, but the notification would appear on your watch with a simple vibration and you could just glance at your wrist for the necessary info.
                                                                  hcmarks
                                                                    @zenimpulse And what about data plans? Obviously, this doesn't work if you're off WiFi. And will people pay an additional fee per month to get their text messages on their wrists? @zepfhyr
                                                                    zenimpulse
                                                                      @hcmarks @zepfhyr Bluetooth 4.0 Low Energy connection to your iPhone.
                                                                      zepfhyr
                                                                        @hcmarks @zenimpulse Why would they? The iPhone would have the data plan already. The watch would simply receive info from the iPhone via BT 4.0. I’m sure, in the future, due to miniaturization you could do a data plan on the watch, but that’s years off.
                                                                        hcmarks
                                                                          @zenimpulse how does that affect battery life if you're going 8+ hours a day with both devices on and receiving data? @zepfhyr
                                                                          zenimpulse
                                                                            @hcmarks @zepfhyr If the Pebble is any indication you might expect a 5-10% drain but I'm willing to bet Apple can do better.
                                                                            zepfhyr
                                                                              @hcmarks @zenimpulse That’s a good question. BT 4.0 is extremely low energy. Apple’s implementation of it is better than most, which is why you can leave BT on and see a loss of only minutes in usage time, unless you’re actively paired with a device.
                                                                              zepfhyr
                                                                                @hcmarks @zenimpulse If the device is designed in such a way as to allow it to “pushed” messages from the iPhone, then the connection only activates when your phone has something to say to it.
                                                                                zepfhyr
                                                                                  @hcmarks @zenimpulse With a notification threshold, you could prevent all notes from coming through and only those above a certain urgency setting. This would also improve battery life.
                                                                                  zenimpulse
                                                                                    @zepfhyr @hcmarks Right, it would likely use some kind of private API to manage the connection.
                                                                                    zepfhyr
                                                                                      @zenimpulse @hcmarks As for the watch sending data to the iPhone, that could be done on a schedule, or manually. It would upload pedometer data, and any other data it stores either hourly, or just when you open an app on one of the devices and press Sync.
                                                                                      fidget
                                                                                        @hcmarks The problems that I have had with watches has to do more with personal biology. My chemicals in my perspiration will pull the plating off of a metal watch band in nothing flat. It also does a number on leather.
                                                                                        hcmarks
                                                                                          @fidget well, you're just broken. :-P (JUST KIDDING)
                                                                                          fidget
                                                                                            @hcmarks I really am broken. My wedding band couldn’t be silver because I would turn it black in no time.
                                                                                            nkb
                                                                                              @hcmarks As a watchaholic, I totally agree.
                                                                                              hcmarks
                                                                                                @nkb some people just don't get it. ;)
                                                                                                nkb
                                                                                                  @zenimpulse I'm fine with a smart-wristy thingy, it's just not a watch. I also don't want my phone on my wrist! As awesome as my phone is, I like sometimes not having it. @hcmarks
                                                                                                  hcmarks
                                                                                                    @nkb word. I've considered switching to a dumb phone specifically because I don't want to be reached at all times. @zenimpulse
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                                                                                                      @nkb @hcmarks Well that’s my point; it won’t be a phone on your wrist. I think I’m actually going to write up my concept for the iBand and then you can critique :P
                                                                                                      nkb
                                                                                                        @hcmarks If there was an iPod touch with 3G, I'd be all over it. Zero calls. lol @zenimpulse
                                                                                                        zenimpulse
                                                                                                          @nkb @hcmarks Oh, totally. I don’t even care about the phone at all. Just give me ADN, Twitter, Skype and iMessage and I’m good.
                                                                                                          atmospeer
                                                                                                            @zenimpulse that's kind of what the ipad did, but you can't really carry that in your pocket.
                                                                                                            alexanderthegreat
                                                                                                              @zepfhyr This. All an iWatch needs to do to be a killer product is to provide meaningful visual, audio & haptic/touch notifications in a smart, granular way. Oh and tell time.
                                                                                                              zepfhyr
                                                                                                                @zenimpulse @nkb @hcmarks I think that’s the real trouble with the iWatch moniker. People keep thinking about it as a watch and not as something new and better. It may be capable of performing a watch’s primary functions (telling time and looking good)…
                                                                                                                zepfhyr
                                                                                                                  @zenimpulse @nkb @hcmarks …but that won’t be its true and primary purpose, which is to enable to do better the things you already do, and maybe even do new things you didn’t know you wanted/needed to do.
                                                                                                                  nkb
                                                                                                                    @zepfhyr @hcmarks @zenimpulse Yeah, but I'd rather just wear a watch.
                                                                                                                    hcmarks
                                                                                                                      @nkb @zepfhyr @zenimpulse Seconded. And I wouldn't say some electronic piece of equipment would be "better" than a well-made watch. Quite the contrary.
                                                                                                                      zepfhyr
                                                                                                                        @nkb @hcmarks @zenimpulse And no one’s going to stop you from doing so. But I don’t wear a watch because the only purpose it served for me is replaced by my iPhone. But if I had a band that did more, I’d wear one.
                                                                                                                        nkb
                                                                                                                          @zepfhyr That's our main difference. A watch isn't just a watch for me. It's something I enjoy because of the design. It's like furniture or font nerds. @hcmarks @zenimpulse
                                                                                                                          zepfhyr
                                                                                                                            @nkb @zenimpulse If I had the same values as you and @hcmarks, then I would probably also feel that an iBand is unnecessary. But I don’t, and that’s what makes the iBand so great. It’s more for people that need/want more.
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                                                                                                                              @zepfhyr I'm not saying it's unnecessary in general. I'm saying *I* don't want one. @hcmarks @zenimpulse
                                                                                                                              zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                @nkb @hcmarks @zenimpulse Sure. But do you honestly think that an iBand won’t have an incredible design? The aesthetic may not speak directly to you, but it will speak volumes to someone. AND it will have multiple functions to boot.
                                                                                                                                zenimpulse
                                                                                                                                  @zepfhyr @nkb @hcmarks Right, like not everyone wants/needs an iPad. Or an iPad Mini. It fills a niche that happens to be (potentially) a lot of people.
                                                                                                                                  zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                    @nkb @hcmarks @zenimpulse I don’t think anyone’s trying to convince you that you should (correct me if I’m wrong here). I think this conversation started because someone got excited about it and someone else didn’t.
                                                                                                                                    nkb
                                                                                                                                      @zepfhyr And I agreed with Harry. Then this. lol @hcmarks @zenimpulse
                                                                                                                                      hcmarks
                                                                                                                                        @zepfhyr @nkb @zenimpulse More functions =/= better. More often than not, "one thing well" works just fine :)
                                                                                                                                        zenimpulse
                                                                                                                                          @hcmarks @zepfhyr @nkb And that’s my idea behind the iBand, doing one thing well. More to come in a blog post (my first in FOREVER, thanks guys)
                                                                                                                                          zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                            @nkb @hcmarks @zenimpulse Yep. Welcome to the Internet. :-D At least we’re on ADN and not a forum where you’d have been insulted 30 times by now for your difference of opinion.
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                                                                                                                                            hcmarks
                                                                                                                                              @zepfhyr @zenimpulse @nkb Which is exactly why I posited my opinion here and not on Twitter ;)
                                                                                                                                              zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                                @hcmarks @nkb @zenimpulse Agreed. And for some people, that will be correct. But again, I’m not thinking of the iBand from a watch perspective, because I have no use for, nor desire to own, a watch.
                                                                                                                                                hcmarks
                                                                                                                                                  @zepfhyr @nkb @zenimpulse understandable. I just can't fathom what Apple could do to make such a tiny form factor usable. But then that's why they're Apple.
                                                                                                                                                  zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                                    @hcmarks @nkb @zenimpulse Indeed. I can’t wait to see what they do, if the rumors are true.
                                                                                                                                                    zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                                      @zenimpulse @hcmarks @nkb I am also writing a blog post about this discussion, and am crediting you with the iBand name. So, send me a link when you finish it and I’ll send you all 10 of my readers. :-D
                                                                                                                                                      alexanderthegreat
                                                                                                                                                        @zenimpulse The Magic Mouse is what, three years old? They've been working on this a while.
                                                                                                                                                        zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                                          @zenimpulse @hcmarks @nkb Here you go. It’s not gold, but it’s something. You may not want to read it until you’ve written your own. I don’t want to bring you down to my level. :-D ‘The iBand and the future of wearable computing’ http://bit.ly/Wj9dkU
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                                                                                                                                                            @zepfhyr Storify does work with ADN from what I know - you could feasibly string our enormous conversation together if you so chose and link it into your story.
                                                                                                                                                            zepfhyr
                                                                                                                                                              @hcmarks I might do that. It looks like ADN support is a little flaky, so it may take some time, but the bookmarklet might help with that. Thanks for the tip!
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                                                                                                                                                                @zepfhyr I don't get to use it enough, but I dig Storify. Makes keeping track of conversations much easier. Glad to help.