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kajp
    Nope, iTunes 11 sucks.
    samharman
      @kieranajp Yeah, it's terrible… I don't understand it! They are renowned for thinking up the best solutions for tech problems…
      kajp
        @samharman Search is completely broken, this is ridiculous, such a step backwards in UX even if it is really pretty.
        samharman
          @kieranajp I don't even think it's that pretty. It's disgusting!
          indigo
            @samharman @kieranajp Did you download it directly? I’m not seeing an update available yet.
            kajp
              @indigo @samharman I found it on itunes.com first, then decided to check software update and found it there
              indigo
                @samharman Somehow going looking for a direct download for an iTunes update seems a bit pitiful. So I’ll just keep checking. That won’t be pitiful at all.
                samharman
                  @indigo http://www.apple.com/itunes/download/ Just click Download Now… no need to put in any details!
                  indigo
                    @samharman It still feels like an admission of being impatient for a new version of iTunes.
                    samharman
                      @indigo It's really not worth the hype! Go on though… download it. I won't judge you!
                      kajp
                        @samharman Ah well, at least I wasn't expecting much. Back to Ecoute!
                        indigo
                          @samharman The current one crashes every time I try to delete two backups that I didn’t want it to make anyway of the broken replacement iPad Apple gave me last week. My big hope for the new version is that I can get rid of them.
                          samharman
                            @kieranajp I don't listen to music enough to warrant a complete replacement, but it does look quite nice!
                            samharman
                              @indigo Are you running Mac or PC ?
                              kajp
                                @samharman The only reason I ever open iTunes is to download something new off iTunes Match. I keep it chmod -x'd most of the time!
                                samharman
                                  @kieranajp Ahhh, don't use match either! Seriously i have like 30 albums i listen to regularly… there's no point me even having iTunes!
                                  samharman
                                    @indigo Good! :) Have you tried repairing disk permissions?
                                    samharman
                                      @indigo Hah, damn.. sound's like you have a fair few problems!
                                      indigo
                                        @samharman @kieranajp I don’t use match either. All my music came from CDs or vinyl. It seems silly to have to pay to get access to an mp3 version.
                                        indigo
                                          @samharman You think I’m an Apple-wrecker?
                                          indigo
                                            @samharman I did have to repair disk permissions a couple of months ago when I went on a major deleting spree, but it’s not a regular thing.
                                            kajp
                                              @indigo @samharman Match saved me so much hassle when my old hard disk died, and also I paid to have all my old crappy music I Limewire'd aged 14 turned into 256Kbps AAC so I can listen to it like a gentleman.
                                              samharman
                                                @indigo Try it, might let you delete the old backup files!
                                                kajp
                                                  @samharman @indigo I was young and impressionable okay?!
                                                  samharman
                                                    @indigo Cool, make sure to verify your disk permissions too! #NotFunnyIKnow
                                                    indigo
                                                      @samharman @kieranajp Luckily the internet hadn’t been invented when I was (young and impressionable). Actually, I think I skipped the impressionable bit.
                                                      kajp
                                                        @indigo @samharman Oh man, you missed out on many an embarrassing mistake ;)
                                                        samharman
                                                          @indigo @kieranajp I'm sorry, i think you must be mistaken. I refuse to believe there was a time with no internet. #TotallyRememberDialUpButAnythingEarlierIsHazy
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                                                          indigo
                                                            @samharman @kieranajp I’ve got some differing groups and permissions.
                                                            samharman
                                                              @indigo @kieranajp Sounds painful. Repair those bad boys!
                                                              indigo
                                                                @samharman @kieranajp It hasn’t finished checking.
                                                                samharman
                                                                  @indigo @kieranajp Ahh to be honest, i usually skip the verify part, just repair the permissions straight away. Anything that's wrong needs repairing anyway!
                                                                  kajp
                                                                    @indigo @samharman Have you tried pulling down fresh and then compiling Stallman at runtime?
                                                                    indigo
                                                                      @kieranajp @samharman No. What does that mean? (I’m running the repair now.)
                                                                      kajp
                                                                        @indigo @samharman Don't know, totally made it up, but it sounded impressive no?
                                                                        samharman
                                                                          @kieranajp @indigo Totally, but we all know the real problem's with the flange decapiliary sensor getting jettisoned on an unhanded user error.
                                                                          indigo
                                                                            @kieranajp @samharman Pretty good :). I’ll have to save it.
                                                                            kajp
                                                                              @samharman @indigo What do you mean, this plane has no follanges?!
                                                                              kajp
                                                                                @samharman @indigo We mustn't panic. WE MUSTN'T PANIC!
                                                                                indigo
                                                                                  @kieranajp @samharman There’s smoke coming out of my leg where the MBP sits on it. Is that normal?
                                                                                  indigo
                                                                                    @kieranajp @samharman No, I think that’s someone else. I’m just being toasted.
                                                                                    kajp
                                                                                      @indigo @samharman Must be quite pleasant in November.
                                                                                      indigo
                                                                                        @kieranajp @samharman Yes. Mind you the summer wasn’t much warmer.
                                                                                        samharman
                                                                                          @indigo @kieranajp Ahh three british people discussing the weather… Every conversation is inevitable!
                                                                                          kajp
                                                                                            @samharman I wasn't aware @indigo was British, but suddenly this conversation makes a whole lot more sense.
                                                                                            samharman
                                                                                              @kieranajp @indigo Actually, thinking about it… i don't know! :-/ #MayHaveMadeLifeError
                                                                                              samharman
                                                                                                @indigo @kieranajp Cool, try a power cycle (not a restart, but turn off and on again) then try removing those backups!
                                                                                                kajp
                                                                                                  @samharman @indigo public void assumeUserIsBritish() throws new LifeErrorException { … }
                                                                                                  samharman
                                                                                                    @indigo @kieranajp I fear we've scared @indigo off with our geekery!
                                                                                                    kajp
                                                                                                      @samharman @indigo I love how there's some tech help going on in between my terrible nerdy jokes in this thread.
                                                                                                      samharman
                                                                                                        @kieranajp @indigo Imagine if tech support helplines were like this… intermingled with incredibly geeky and unrelated statements and jokes! Brilliant!
                                                                                                        kajp
                                                                                                          @samharman @indigo That sounds like an untapped market if ever there was one
                                                                                                          indigo
                                                                                                            @samharman @kieranajp I’ll have to try it next time I’m providing parental IT support.
                                                                                                            samharman
                                                                                                              @indigo @kieranajp :) I actually answer my home phone… "Hello, IT Support" now.
                                                                                                              kajp
                                                                                                                @samharman @indigo Oh I am very deliberately NOT tech support. I'd never get anything else done.
                                                                                                                samharman
                                                                                                                  @kieranajp @indigo Yeah, i don't mind it for family. Fortunately most of my friends are highly technical!
                                                                                                                  kajp
                                                                                                                    @samharman @indigo To be absolutely fair, I never get anything done anyway, so it wouldn't make much difference
                                                                                                                    indigo
                                                                                                                      @kieranajp @samharman When I read tech blogs about sorting out parents’ computers, I start out by identifying with the writers, then realise I’m the age of their parents & wonder where I went wrong.
                                                                                                                      kajp
                                                                                                                        @indigo @samharman Or *right*. Did I just blow your mind?
                                                                                                                        indigo
                                                                                                                          @samharman @kieranajp Luckily I can get my husband to deal with boring stuff like getting their WiFi to work.
                                                                                                                          samharman
                                                                                                                            @indigo @kieranajp Ahh WiFi.. Now you're talking!
                                                                                                                            kajp
                                                                                                                              @indigo @samharman Ugh, now that IS boring, want to send him to sort out mine properly? Because I'm putting it off like a professional.
                                                                                                                              samharman
                                                                                                                                @kieranajp @indigo Haha, my entire job revolves around making WiFi related iOS Apps!
                                                                                                                                samharman
                                                                                                                                  @kieranajp @indigo To be honest, it's an easy problem to fix… get an Airport Express. Fantastic router, 5Ghz, all you'll ever need!
                                                                                                                                  kajp
                                                                                                                                    @samharman @indigo Hmm, these days mine seems to be writing stuff in Markdown, but if it gets us new clients I guess… Oh I have one, and a Time Capsule too, but I fiddled and broke everything.
                                                                                                                                    samharman
                                                                                                                                      @indigo @kieranajp Hmm, what Mac is it you've got?
                                                                                                                                      samharman
                                                                                                                                        @kieranajp @indigo Actually i've been doing a painful amount of tech documentation lately, only got back to coding properly in the last few days!
                                                                                                                                        indigo
                                                                                                                                          @kieranajp @samharman Amazing. It stopped spinning & the offending backups are gone from the list!
                                                                                                                                          indigo
                                                                                                                                            @kieranajp @samharman iTunes 10.7 is still the current version.
                                                                                                                                            samharman
                                                                                                                                              @indigo @kieranajp What version of OS X are you running? On which machine?
                                                                                                                                              samharman
                                                                                                                                                @indigo @kieranajp Bizzare, install it manually!
                                                                                                                                                kajp
                                                                                                                                                  @indigo @samharman Woo I figured out why I'd killed my Airport at least, so that's my problem solved for tonight! http://cl.ly/LETL
                                                                                                                                                  kajp
                                                                                                                                                    @samharman @indigo It's probably an incremental rollout type thingy and your software update has cached or something.
                                                                                                                                                    indigo
                                                                                                                                                      @kieranajp @samharman They hate me because I blew through two iPads last week.
                                                                                                                                                      samharman
                                                                                                                                                        @indigo @kieranajp Woah… two iPads. That's a pretty impressive fart! #Sorry #Immature
                                                                                                                                                        kajp
                                                                                                                                                          @samharman @indigo Shows how immature I am that I actually laughed in real life
                                                                                                                                                          samharman
                                                                                                                                                            @kieranajp @indigo Me too! And I knew it was coming!
                                                                                                                                                            indigo
                                                                                                                                                              @samharman @kieranajp One had a screen defect (8 months-ish old iPad3) then they gave me one that wouldn’t connect to WiFi to replace it.
                                                                                                                                                              kajp
                                                                                                                                                                @indigo @samharman Did you not specify that you wanted a replacement that worked?
                                                                                                                                                                samharman
                                                                                                                                                                  @indigo @kieranajp Superb, and being serious a moment here. I honestly respect you so much for continuing this conversation, despite @kieranajp and I being incredibly immature!
                                                                                                                                                                  indigo
                                                                                                                                                                    @kieranajp @samharman I knew there was something I forgot!
                                                                                                                                                                    kajp
                                                                                                                                                                      @samharman @indigo Ditto, not many can claim to be able to withstand this much trolling :p
                                                                                                                                                                      indigo
                                                                                                                                                                        @samharman @kieranajp Any idea why it said “installer le logiciel“?
                                                                                                                                                                        indigo
                                                                                                                                                                          @kieranajp @samharman It’s been more fun than repairing disk permissions is normally :).
                                                                                                                                                                          samharman
                                                                                                                                                                            @indigo @kieranajp Glad to hear it, maybe OS X help files should come with sarcasm and bad jokes as standard!
                                                                                                                                                                            indigo
                                                                                                                                                                              @kieranajp @samharman Thank you. I worked that out. But why? All the rest was in English. My Mac is more or less in English.
                                                                                                                                                                              samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                @indigo @kieranajp :) Hmm, I've had iTunes installer in a weird language before, hasn't seemed to affect it once it's installed!
                                                                                                                                                                                indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                  @samharman @kieranajp I think iTunes has the bad jokes part covered. And iPhoto. Some day when I really need more pain I must find out why iPhoto has a 20 GB file.
                                                                                                                                                                                  samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                    @kieranajp @indigo Of course this could all be solved with a 'sudo rm -r…' #NotGoingToFinishThat
                                                                                                                                                                                    indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                      @samharman @kieranajp If it’s going to pick another language, I’d rather French than Chinese or Swahili.
                                                                                                                                                                                      samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                        @indigo @kieranajp Oh that iPhoto file is just for the lolz… Don't ever say Apple doesn't have a sense of humour!
                                                                                                                                                                                        indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                          @samharman @kieranajp I don’t do things that start with sudo. Usually. Well, only sometimes.
                                                                                                                                                                                          kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                            @samharman @indigo Ugh, let's not talk about iPhoto, that's something else I'm putting off completely
                                                                                                                                                                                            samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                              @indigo @kieranajp Yeah don't do that command…
                                                                                                                                                                                              kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                @samharman @indigo sudo rm -ri / is funnier because you have to answer yes to everything.
                                                                                                                                                                                                samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                  @indigo @kieranajp Ok, calm down… breath a bit… maybe go smell your Apple product retail packaging if you still have it… you'll come around!
                                                                                                                                                                                                  kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                    @indigo @samharman You went to all that effort just for that? I could have told you you'd hate it :p
                                                                                                                                                                                                    indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                      @kieranajp @samharman Yes, but it’s the future. I might hate it, but I can’t avoid it. And I don’t like feeling left out.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                        @kieranajp @indigo lol and so the end of another productive tech help session with @samharman and @kieranajp ... Join us next week for more of the same!
                                                                                                                                                                                                        kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                          @indigo @samharman Why not? Most people successfully avoid it
                                                                                                                                                                                                          indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                            @kieranajp @samharman Well, I suppose I won’t see most of it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                              @indigo @kieranajp I see you've recently completed the Apple brainwashing sessions. Congratulations, you'll never look back! :-D
                                                                                                                                                                                                              kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                @indigo @samharman Some of it is a very long way away, it's true
                                                                                                                                                                                                                indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  @samharman @kieranajp Thanks for your help and entertainment. I’ll call you any time anything goes wrong. With anything. Ever.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @samharman @indigo Haha why am I considering doing a podcast of ridiculous tech help
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      @indigo @kieranajp haha, please do! I also deal in pest control!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @indigo @samharman Okay, but please don't tell your friends, I like to have time to waste away on things other than sorting out my iPhoto
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          @kieranajp @samharman I think I’ll just leave iPhoto there so I can get my photostream pictures but not feed it anything else.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @samharman @indigo Wonder if we'd get a listener
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @kieranajp @indigo like immature jokes and rubbish telly?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @kieranajp @indigo I had a listener once... Turned out it was my mum.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  @indigo @samharman My library corrupted itself about 10 months ago and I've been putting off fixing it ever since. Tempted to just archive it and buy Aperture or Lightroom or something.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @samharman @kieranajp That’s pretty good. I’m not sure mine listens to me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      @samharman @indigo I'd count that as 'eavesdropping' rather than an actual listener
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @kieranajp @samharman If you actually want to manage lots of photos Lightroom is much better.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          @indigo @kieranajp Alert: Serious conversation mingling with mindless chatter again!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @indigo @samharman Thanks, that's actually really useful advice. In this thread! Who'd have thought it?!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @kieranajp @samharman You mean I wasn’t supposed to have typed all that sudo stuff?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @kieranajp @indigo Who knew? Anyway guys I'm going to drop out for now! Things to do before it's tomorrow! It's been fun though!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                pixierisque
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  @indigo I've used both Lightroom and Aperture, I like Aperture better. I suggest you get the Demo of each and decide which works better for you. They both are excellent! //@kieranajp @samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @indigo @samharman Er… we really should have put a disclaimer at the front of this thread for legal reasons, shouldn't we?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      @bashfulpixie i think they stopped doing the Aperture demo. @kieranajp @samharman
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @indigo @kieranajp oh I wish it was goodnight, I've got some unit testing to do! But goodnight for when the time comes! :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          @samharman @indigo Yes I think it's about that time for me too, it's been a pleasure @indigo, always nice to make new friends (:
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @kieranajp @indigo yes to legal disclaimer, but remember we're on the Internet. That counts for something right?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @bashfulpixie @indigo @samharman hmm okay, again that's useful, although it may be a way off when I finally stop procrastinating doing this ;) thanks!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              pixierisque
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @indigo Oh that's a shame! Because they both are really good, but people should be allowed the chance to compare because one is better than the other depending your needs and workflow. //@kieranajp @samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kajp
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  @samharman @indigo The law doesn't apply here, right?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @kieranajp @samharman I’m pretty sure we have an exemption. Just sign here to confirm it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    samharman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      @indigo @kieranajp testings always happy when NSASSERT 1=1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      indigo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @bashfulpixie I’ve used Lightroom ever since it came out for my main photos (I was on Windows then). iPhoto is just for the phone ones, and syncing with iTunes. @kieranajp @samharman