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patrickrhone
    I wonder how many BMW owners turn into rabid sad sacks when a new, updated, model of their car is released only a year after the model they own and the manufacturer has the audacity to charge for it.
    huw
      @patrickrhone I take it this is about Instacast, I'm happy to pay for the update and the yearly membership but the number of bugs in 3.0 is really atrocious.
      patrickrhone
        @huw Not just Instacast. Twitterific 5 too. This happens all the time. Just about anytime a developer decides to make the next release a paid upgrade.
        michaelramm
          @patrickrhone @huw My problem with Instacast was more the fact that the dev has continued to ask for money and delivered a substandard product. I left Instacast when the iCloud sync went wonky. I moved to Downcast and like it with no plans to change.
          huw
            @patrickrhone Definitely with Twitterrific, it's an entirely new app with this rewrite/redesign of it. It's a crazy sense of entitlement.
            huw
              @michaelramm @patrickrhone I still hugely prefer Instacast design to Downcast so ill be sticking with it but i'll be using version 2, 3 is unusable for me right now
              jamesgowans
                @patrickrhone serious question: are paid upgrades “forced” or “pushed” to devices? I imagine one could just *not* upgrade if they believed that the value was not proportionate to the cost, right?
                michaelramm
                  @huw @patrickrhone I could not stand Instacast HD. I like to have my phone and pad synced because I never know which I will listen on.
                  huw
                    @michaelramm @patrickrhone I'm ok paying as most of the time it has been because a feature in the app like push or the social features require a server component, I expect the to ship a stable product though, with 3 they just didn't deliver that
                    patrickrhone
                      @jamesgowans I have both Instacast and Twitteriffic and the previous version are not forced and are working just fine.
                      michaelramm
                        @jamesgowans @patrickrhone since both Instacast 3 and Twitterrific 5 are “new” apps, you would never even get a notice that there is an upgrade. So you would never HAVE to upgrade.
                        bradleychambers
                          @huw @michaelramm @patrickrhone My frustration with Instacast is not the paid upgrade, but the fact that the paid upgrade is subpar quality. The blog mentions that the sluggishness will take time to fix. It shouldn't have been released
                          bradleychambers
                            @michaelramm @jamesgowans @patrickrhone I'm more than thrilled to pay for upgrades for apps I love, but I expect them to be better. I'd gladly accept a paid downcast upgrade because the app keeps getting better
                            jamesgowans
                              @patrickrhone yeah, I don’t see what the problem is at all then. If we have a choice, then make your choice and be done with it.
                              bradleychambers
                                @michaelramm @jamesgowans @patrickrhone I also felt patronized when complaining about the lack of auto delete when mark as played.
                                michaelramm
                                  @bradleychambers @huw @patrickrhone on should be wary of a dev who make specific mention of the supposed upgrades. I remember he told people NOT to use iCloud sync in v2. That should tell you something.
                                  jamesgowans
                                    @bradleychambers @michaelramm @patrickrhone your concerns with the app are valid and aren’t based on a feeling of entitlement, from what I can tell.
                                    amahnke
                                      @jamesgowans @bradleychambers @michaelramm @patrickrhone The real discussion is this: where is the line between unreasonable entitlement and just right? What is the developer obligated to provide, and for how long?
                                      patrickrhone
                                        @jamesgowans @bradleychambers @michaelramm The concerns are valid and have led to reasonable choices. My point was directed at those who react with vitriol.
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                                        stwrz
                                          @bradleychambers @michaelramm @jamesgowans @patrickrhone If you got that sentiment from me, I apologize. I was trying to point out the tension between a developer's apparent "good idea" and the opinion of his customers. I also miss the auto-delete.
                                          michaelramm
                                            @jamesgowans @bradleychambers @patrickrhone I have no problem paying for upgrades either, but I had moved on from Instacast, and held off to hear about the v3 version. Glad I did now.
                                            bradleychambers
                                              @stwrz @michaelramm @jamesgowans @patrickrhone The section about hangs during refresh is frustrating to me http://vemedio.com/support/instacast#angry If there is a problem with the app, don't release it until it's fixed
                                              michaelramm
                                                @bradleychambers totally agree. “The reason for that is very complicated, but there is a solution to make this better. But it’s not done over night. Please give us some time.” If the solution is not in place, do not release!
                                                hcmarks
                                                  @amahnke @jamesgowans @bradleychambers @michaelramm @patrickrhone and does the simplicity of simply tapping a button to update combined with an already low price skew our beliefs as to how long an app should be supported for free?
                                                  hawaiiboy
                                                    @stwrz @bradleychambers @michaelramm @jamesgowans @patrickrhone In the new app world, people have grown to expect constant updates. In the older computer world, you bought software, other than occasional security updates, that was it till the next version
                                                    kkob
                                                      @bradleychambers @huw @michaelramm @patrickrhone absolutely agree. The price of ver 3 was justified by the now usable iPad version. Shocked at the lack of change for the iPhone and the bug which renders the app unusable while it refreshes feeds.
                                                      jamesgowans
                                                        @hcmarks @amahnke I work for a dev company. This upgrade model is similar to ours, but we see less kick back on it because its standard in our industry. We’ve been spoiled by the race to free, I’m afraid. // @bradleychambers @michaelramm @patrickrhone
                                                        kkob
                                                          @patrickrhone @huw I am in love with Twitterrific 5. Surprised its so cheap. Would love a similar http://d.pr/7Wm app since the post length is longer the benefit to the reading experience would be greater than with twitter.
                                                          amahnke
                                                            @jamesgowans @hcmarks Yep. The race to the bottom can only result in a very painful impact with the floor.
                                                            huw
                                                              @bradleychambers @michaelramm @patrickrhone No I completely agree, like I said I'm happy to pay but the performance ad the number of bugs is unacceptable. It worked for a day but now crashes on launch on my iPhone 4.
                                                              huw
                                                                @kkob @patrickrhone If we're day dreaming I'd like to imagine that when they rewrote the underlying code for Twitterrific 5 they made it with doing a port to App.net/Tent.is in mind.
                                                                willjhopkins
                                                                  @amahnke @jamesgowans @bradleychambers @michaelramm @patrickrhone iOS is a world away from IT. Anyone trying to do that would lose customers in a big way but we have service contracts to spell out entitlements. Being up front about the future is an answer.