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patrickrhone
    Seriously, people who are complaining about such things with apps are entitled spoiled brats that need to be shipped off to spend a few days in a slum in (insert on of the too many places here) to learn about the humility, fortune, and privilege.
    davmendels
      @patrickrhone I’m surrounded by Papuan kids these days. It has brought me some interesting perspective. They don’t have running water in Papua, and we’re introducing them to computers. Which they had never seen. Perspectives…
      patrickrhone
        @davmendels We privileged Westerners should be forced to spend a year in such places.
        mdhughes
          @patrickrhone @hcmarks Does BMW stop supporting its cars when the new model comes out? Do they suddenly fail to work on new roads? Because that's what happens with software. Your metaphor is false, and you should feel dumb for making it. 0 points.
          hcmarks
            @mdhughes @patrickrhone Ah, I love the smell of douchebags in the morning. Tell me, ace, is the previous version of Instacast still working? It is? Awesome. Thanks for playing. 0 points.
            mdhughes
              @hcmarks @patrickrhone Today? Sure, I haven't updated my phone's OS yet. Tomorrow, next week, next year, it'll break, given what it does with subscription search and downloads. Try thinking before writing.
              hcmarks
                @mdhughes @patrickrhone Try being a human being before resorting to childish tropes like "You should feel dumb. 0 points." You own a $200+ phone/tablet/whatever. It's a $5 app from an indie developer. Act like an adult.
                mdhughes
                  @hcmarks @patrickrhone Whining about other people making a valid complaint is lame. Doing so with invalid metaphors is dumb. Toughen up.
                  kylewallace
                    @hcmarks @mdhughes @patrickrhone I have this theory that people who don't like buying apps aren't good tippers.
                    patrickrhone
                      @mdhughes @hcmarks We Buddhists believe that the software, as all are thing, is already broken. Therefore, we enjoy what we have knowing that it's very nature is impermanent. It is your wanting and entitlement that leads to your suffering, not the upgrade.
                      kerry
                        @patrickrhone Indeed, entitlement is the great discontent.
                        pent
                          @patrickrhone that's like saying everything is perfect and we shouldn't move forward because there are less perfect parts of the world... what
                          chrisg
                            @mdhughes @hcmarks @patrickrhone You’re right, every software developer should support every previous version of their product until the end of time, all software is perfect forever. My copy if Windows 3.1 should still be supported, WTF MICROSOFT
                            mdhughes
                              @chrisg @patrickrhone Strawman, that's the exact opposite of what I suggested. Developers should provide a reasonable upgrade process for their software, so you can move forward to a new OS without discarding everything.
                              patrickrhone
                                @pent My meaning and belief is quite the opposite. It is this, everything is imperfect and we should be happy with what we have, right now, in this moment. Wanting for software to be perfect and always supported and upgraded for free is silly and selfish.
                                patrickrhone
                                  Surprising myself with how much of my views about software are driven by my Buddhist beliefs.
                                  chrisg
                                    @mdhughes @patrickrhone Or users can move forward and pay a few bucks now and again to support the people who make the tools they use every day. Devs owe nothing to anybody, they’re the ones doing the hard work. Users are entitled to nothing.
                                    sayzlim
                                      @patrickrhone that’s how I explained Minimal Mac to my friends.
                                      mdhughes
                                        @chrisg @patrickrhone I am a software developer. You do have ethical obligations when you sell a product. If you're just EOL'ing it, fine. But there's a perfectly valid way to do upgrades on iOS, and it's not repeating the Tweetie 2 scam.
                                        patrickrhone
                                          @sayzlim I'm honored by such a description.
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                                          pent
                                            @patrickrhone I can agree it is perfectly acceptable that software is not always supported and free, as that is unrealistic to expect. But its common for developers to give away updates for free so I feel like we’ve already laid down a standard.
                                            chrisg
                                              @mdhughes @patrickrhone You develop an app, someone buys it. That’s the transaction. The end. And yet, people expect devs to continue working indefinitely without more pay. Ethical? No. Free upgrades are a courtesy, not a right.
                                              patrickrhone
                                                @pent Does Adobe? Does Apple? Not major upgrades. Not full point releases. And they only support the previous to a point.
                                                mdhughes
                                                  @chrisg @patrickrhone Again with the strawman, exact opposite of what I said. Do you think you could take some debate classes? You can use IAP to do paid upgrades. You can sell subscriptions. There's a ton of ways to make money.
                                                  jeffhunsberger
                                                    @mdhughes @chrisg @patrickrhone …but one of those ways is to release a new version and charge for it. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it's a scam. I didn't buy Instacast 3 but I'm not ranting about how unfair life is.
                                                    mdhughes
                                                      @jeffhunsberger @chrisg @patrickrhone The problem is that screws existing customers. No discount, and they lose all their data; I have dozens of subs in Instacast, if I'm reentering, I'll do it in another app with a more ethical developer.
                                                      jeffhunsberger
                                                        @mdhughes @chrisg @patrickrhone How are users "screwed"? They don't *have* to buy it. That's where your argument loses me.
                                                        mdhughes
                                                          @jeffhunsberger @chrisg @patrickrhone The existing one will stop working when the OS changes incompatibly; in some cases apps can keep running unmaintained for years, but what Instacast is doing? It's gonna bit-rot much sooner.
                                                          chrisg
                                                            @mdhughes @jeffhunsberger @patrickrhone I upgraded to Instacast 3 and didn’t lose a single bit of data…? Also, I don’t think you understand what “strawman” means.
                                                            jeffhunsberger
                                                              @mdhughes @chrisg @patrickrhone If you bought Instacast 2 when it was launched on May 1 for $1.99, you've paid about a penny a day. If it becomes incompatible with iOS7 next year, you've paid less than a penny a day. Get over it, man.
                                                              jeffhunsberger
                                                                @mdhughes @chrisg @patrickrhone I've never seen so much entitlement and indignation over an amount that small. I think you're yanking out chain at this point. Good trolling!
                                                                chrisg
                                                                  @jeffhunsberger @mdhughes @patrickrhone Not to mention there have been several free updates in that time, spanning an iOS update or two.
                                                                  mdhughes
                                                                    @jeffhunsberger @chrisg @patrickrhone So because it's an incredibly petty scam, I shouldn't mind? This is false. You've mistaken how much I care about this specific case: About zero. How much I care about the principle: Entirely.
                                                                    jeffhunsberger
                                                                      @mdhughes @chrisg @patrickrhone If you've set yourself up to about "principled stands" over stuff this minor, you're in for a fun life. Good luck with supporting your software forever and ever for no money.
                                                                      chrisg
                                                                        @mdhughes @jeffhunsberger @patrickrhone Framing it as a scam is the problem here. You’re clearly not bright enough to take part in this discussion, as a developer or otherwise. Sorry :(
                                                                        mdhughes
                                                                          @chrisg @jeffhunsberger @patrickrhone Nice, ad hominem since you can't frame a logical argument. You have lost. 0 points.
                                                                          mdhughes
                                                                            @jeffhunsberger @chrisg @patrickrhone I never said "no money". Read what I wrote.
                                                                            jeffhunsberger
                                                                              @mdhughes @chrisg @patrickrhone I'm pretty sure it was because you were "arguing" like a bozo.
                                                                              chrisg
                                                                                @mdhughes @jeffhunsberger @patrickrhone Come back when you’re not utterly wrong on every front and we can maybe have a discussion, until then you’ll just look like a troll. Welp bye
                                                                                mdhughes
                                                                                  @jeffhunsberger @chrisg @patrickrhone You don't like the message. That's your problem, not mine. You have lost. 0 points.