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johngordon
    @mjtsai @jws I was using Synology Cloud Station drive to sync files between my wife and I. Worked ok on Yosemite, but flaky on El Capitan. Never loved it much. Any good similar products? Commercial is fine. (Might just put on wife's mac and do file share).
    jws
      @johngordon We have a shared Dropbox we use for some minimal syncing. Not a lot of file syncing needs though between us. @mjtsai
      mjtsai
        @johngordon @jws We use a shared Dropbox folder and Google Docs/Sheets. Light use.
        jws
          @mjtsai We do some Google Docs as well. Very little. Most of our home admin still involves transient scraps of paper. @johngordon
          mjtsai
            @jws @johngordon We use shared calendars for a lot of the little stuff, even though it's not really "events."
            jws
              @mjtsai We have a shared calendar, but it's been slow to adopt. My wife likes to do calendaring on a paper calendar when planning vacations or family visiting or such. Great for passive info requiring no action on our part, bad for apptmts. @johngordon
              jws
                @mjtsai What's most helped calendar adoption has been phone availability - when a follow-up appointment gets scheduled at a dr office, that gets put right into ecalendar because that's what's available then and there. @johngordon
                mjtsai
                  @jws @johngordon Yeah. We heavily use the notes field: packing list, confirmation numbers, questions for doctor, etc.
                  johngordon
                    @jws @mjtsai Thanks! We are weirdly wired household. 1 typical kid, 2 spectrum, non-geek spouse and I all have 1-3 shared google calendar, weekly family schedule review meetings, calendars all phones…
                    jws
                      @mjtsai We've been using AnyList app for shared lists - packing, doctor questions, shopping (so much shopping). @johngordon
                      mjtsai
                        @jws @johngordon What I like about calendars for this is that you know exactly where to find the info without having to name the list/file. No clutter afterwards but can always go back for reference if necessary.
                        johngordon
                          @mjtsai @jws What I really dislike is lack of automated archival strategy. I want local lifelong archive copy with full backup.
                          mjtsai
                            @johngordon @jws Yeah, seems very doable but no product that I know of really does that.
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                            johngordon
                              @mjtsai CloudPull comes close. They could create a dedicated archive tool. Want it to be caldav compatible. @jws
                              clarkgoble
                                @johngordon @mjtsai @jws This is true across the board. Backups of cloud data is far from a solved problem. Made worse if you have a ton of silos. I was actually hoping WWDC would introduce solutions to this.
                                clarkgoble
                                  @johngordon @jws @mjtsai I’ve found, despite the problems in things like Music, that Apple’s solution is very good for non-techies who just don’t get these issues or complexities. Of course that hides the big gaps and problems that can pop up.
                                  clarkgoble
                                    @johngordon @jws @mjtsai The biggest place there’s a problem is in Photos where really doesn’t have an easy way to sync photos from two Apple IDs.
                                    clarkgoble
                                      @jws @mjtsai @johngordon I used to use Google Docs a lot. I’ve found myself moving away from it. I can’t recall the last time I used it. Although my kids new school seems to use it a lot so that might be changing.
                                      johngordon
                                        @clarkgoble My complaints about Photos are much more extensive than yours :-). But, yes.
                                        adiabatic
                                          @clarkgoble @johngordon @jws @mjtsai Stupid question: didn't Dropbox solve this?
                                          adiabatic
                                            @jws @johngordon @clarkgoble @mjtsai can't they all stay reasonably up-to-date on your HD through Google Drive?
                                            jws
                                              @adiabatic Drive for Mac is flakey, and IIUC it just syncs placeholders for Google Apps files that then open in the browser: A link, rather than a local copy. @johngordon @clarkgoble @mjtsai
                                              clarkgoble
                                                @adiabatic @johngordon @jws @mjtsai Dropbox is a syncing service but not a backup service. But maybe I’m misunderstanding what you are seeing in it?
                                                clarkgoble
                                                  @jws @adiabatic @johngordon @mjtsai Also any backup system worthy of the name should give you a few versions back. Typically the problem isn’t losing the file but corrupting the file.
                                                  clarkgoble
                                                    @jws @johngordon @mjtsai @adiabatic I should have remembered that. I actually have an app that helps me manage that. I just always use Time Machine. Thanks.
                                                    clarkgoble
                                                      @jws @johngordon @mjtsai @adiabatic However 30 days is insufficient as backup and even one year while great is not ideal. Depending upon your data you really ought to go back farther than that. (Imagine a photo that got corrupted 2 years ago)
                                                      adiabatic
                                                        @clarkgoble @johngordon @jws @mjtsai well, if you can have it on a file on your computer and replace files by yourself, you can back files up and restore them. That's why I think the Dropbox model effectively solves this problem.
                                                        martinsteiger
                                                          @clarkgoble They work if you are single … Apple's role model is apparently a single users with any family relations … Tim Cook's life?
                                                          jws
                                                            @adiabatic Only so long as your cloud storage use does not outpace your local disk. This kind of defeats the purpose of cloud storage. :| @johngordon @clarkgoble @mjtsai
                                                            adiabatic
                                                              @jws @johngordon @clarkgoble @mjtsai a purpose, but not the only one. My teeny Dropbox is super useful. Then again, you can't back up what you can't keep a copy of on your own hard drive…I see the problem now.