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llofte
    Ahhh. No debate and baseball clutter in here. Can we keep it that way?
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    lvcifer
      @llofte - Give it a little while. It will make it’s way here, trust me.
      gregz0r
        @llofte Well I’m surprised it hasn’t already happened, via @gruber & @jsnell :P
        jsnell
          @gregz0r @llofte @gruber It would be nice if one of ADN’s innovations involved tagging or filtering posts in a way that made it easier for people to ignore conversations about the debate or baseball.
          mrgan
            @jsnell I’d probably use tags for filtering purposes (#tech, #apple, #food, #pdx) if it were quicker to do and if it didn’t look so dorky. A timeline full of #words is more annoying than one that’s all about whatever topic.
            donotreply
              @jsnell I believe they are building filtering by annotation into the API. Clients could use this to assign categories to posts and filter on them without the noise of hash tags.
              bpconway
                @mrgan @jsnell If the offended are smart, they're using @tapbots and they'll be able to filter by keyword anyway. Now, if only context aware filtering were a thing (blaspheme versus worship etc.).
                siracusa
                  @mrgan @jsnell Yet another argument for out-of-band metadata (and client apps that can understand and create it with a nice GUI)
                  tofias
                    @siracusa @mrgan @jsnell but if we give the aspies a sarcasm flag they might figure out what we’re actually saying and take over the world.
                    jemmons
                      @siracusa @mrgan @jsnell The idea of "channel" meta is interesting. Have support for three apps and a personal account? Don't pay $200/month. Tag appropriately (automatically?), and people can subscribe to the tag.
                      pilgrim
                        @donotreply @jsnell Assuming it makes it through the review queue, Yawp has the ability to assign a topic (as an annotation) to a post, which can then be filtered in/out.
                        gregz0r
                          @jsnell @gruber Apologies if I came across as stupid, as I was merely jesting. Diversity of tweet/post subject matter keeps things fresh.
                          mrgan
                            @bpconway @jsnell That’s a naive approach. What “keywords” would you filter out to skip baseball tweets?
                            yonatron
                              @siracusa @mrgan @jsnell Yeah, but even here on AppDotNet, plenty of people aren’t going to bother tagging all/most posts. Even if lots of clients do support it.
                              osc
                                @siracusa @mrgan @jsnell It could work if the channels are broad topics: Sports, Politics, Tech, Personal Life. I wonder if people are less likely to post on ADN about the debates or the World Series because their followers only care about tech.
                                mrgan
                                  @tofias Don’t use that word, man.
                                  pesh
                                    @jsnell @gregz0r @llofte @gruber Disagree it should be needed. If I only want tech from you I can read Macworld. The point of following anyone is to get something of their personality. My eyes slip by baseball posts like ads, and hone in football posts.
                                    niemasik
                                      @jsnell I’m afraid you’ll have to give in and start watching baseball like I did.
                                      tofias
                                        @mrgan @bpconway @jsnell for the next two weeks is easier than normal filter out giants, tigers, the last names of the players on each team, announcers, “WS”.
                                        tofias
                                          @mrgan oh see now I need the flag.
                                          davidolrik
                                            @mrgan @bpconway @jsnell Just filter out »@gruber« to avoid the baseball stuff ;-)
                                            bpconway
                                              @mrgan It’s mostly localized based on city (Cincinnati for me) so Reds is the obvious one. If I see players, I add as I go along.
                                              tofias
                                                @bpconway @mrgan @jsnell if muting was done well, mixing algorithmic and human identification, I think it would be a huge boon to social media usage.
                                                mrgan
                                                  @tofias @bpconway @jsnell It has to be based on willing disclosure by the author; otherwise you risk false positives, which for me would be an instant non-starter.
                                                  tofias
                                                    @bpconway @mrgan @jsnell One way that @tapbots could push mute filters forward would be to allow for mute filter subscriptions, via rss or something. And to have mute filters work in Lists (and perhaps a different set of filters for each list).
                                                    tofias
                                                      @mrgan @bpconway @jsnell what do you mean by willing disclosure?
                                                      mrgan
                                                        @tofias Specific, intentional inclusion of tags/categories/keywords by the author. Otherwise, how would you ever filter out my tweet "Tucked shirts, I repeat, we have tucked shirts" as "apple tech event"?
                                                        mrgan
                                                          @tofias On the other hand, would you hide this post from those who choose to filter out apple-related nerdery: "Making apple juice the low-tech way this weekend, stop by if you want some!"
                                                          tofias
                                                            @mrgan So if we were going to build a classification system, do you think it would be a big loss if all your tweets were classified as “apple tech for ~ 3 hours? Yeah, the tucked shirts example makes the case for either hashtags or @siracusa’s metadata.
                                                            mrgan
                                                              @tofias Who would classify that? At that point it's just a client-initiated temporary mute, right? Hardly an AI system :)
                                                              tofias
                                                                @mrgan “apple juice” just seems like a case for more complicated filters than what can reasonably be constructed and maintained by most people in the current interface.
                                                                mrgan
                                                                  @tofias Sure. I just think the only people worth following at all are complicated :) Here's Gruber's apple-event tweet, for instance: https://twitter.com/gruber/status/260842285405704192
                                                                  tofias
                                                                    @mrgan that’s why I want rss based mute filters. And I think Twitter’s biggest loss in choking out third party innovation will likely be in the filtering/discovery areas.
                                                                    tofias
                                                                      @mrgan you just called me simple. Why I ought to…
                                                                      tofias
                                                                        @mrgan easy if I am doing this server side and I get faves his responses.
                                                                        jsnell
                                                                          @niemasik You’re talking to the wrong guy — I’m one of those timeline polluters who writes about baseball incessanrly
                                                                          billkunz
                                                                            @jsnell Apologies to AC/DC, "Baseball ain't global pollution, baseball ain't gonna die." Animosity towards sports by geeks is strange considering how much tech talk has been mocked over time. Keep it up, loved the Magazine article. Go A's, uh, next year :)