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benbrooks
    This there a real reason why mailbox doesn't let everyone in at once? If not this is dumb enough to make me want to never use this app. I don't even have that long to go and I think it is fucktarded
    mschechter
      @benbrooks Real reason: we wouldn’t be talking about it as much. Which leads me to believe that it isn’t as good as we’d like it to be, otherwise we’d be talking about it this much for far better reasons.
      duner
        @mschechter @benbrooks But how do you explain the hype it has gotten for the last few months when it was in beta. That excitement existed pre-waiting list. I’m disappointed that I can’t use the service yet, but don’t think it’s indicative of a bad product.
        dalton
          @benbrooks AFAIK there are server side components that may not scale. i.e. it’s not just an app that makes client-side requests to the gmail servers
          klug
            @benbrooks what? I downloaded and thought I could use it. Not so. Such exclusivity.
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            stevemedia
              @benbrooks cause all of your email goes through their own server I think? So 300,000+ all at once = dead server
              billkunz
                @benbrooks Scale up gradually in case there's an issue as it spins up in use, instead of going boom as 300k people start banging your servers on day one. Remember, Gmail started as invite-based, and even ADN didn't open the doors fully on day one.
                mschechter
                  @duner @benbrooks It very well may be, but then why not just let people on or be clear about why they cant. They had no problem messaging me to tell me to download the app with my code. They could have done the same when its was ready.
                  billkunz
                    @benbrooks Unfortunately it's not really possible to send out, say, 10k copies of an iOS app to start the stress testing quasi-privately.
                    mschechter
                      @duner @benbrooks People poop their pants over great apps, just look at the buzz Fantastical got. Right now the crap about the launch is getting in the way of feedback about the product. I wonder if that is by design.
                      duner
                        @mschechter @benbrooks That’s true. I don’t understand is why the list has been progressing *so* slowly. The worst part is opening the app, watching the list go down as it refreshes. Thinking its moving again. Then feeling your heart fall as it stops.
                        mschechter
                          @duner @benbrooks It could be a true limitation. My guess is that it isn’t. This feels more like a marketing tactic.
                          duner
                            @mschechter @benbrooks I don’t think this is a justified excuse but their logic might be that if everyone used the app and the servers crashed, that bad press would be worse than the no press/aggravation they are causing now.
                            mschechter
                              @duner @benbrooks That’s fine. Text message me in a week when you’re ready for me, not today.
                              duner
                                @mschechter @benbrooks I cannot disagree with that. Also, the pre written tweets which promised “get your mailbox today” was misleading. Very few people are getting it today.
                                lexfri
                                  @benbrooks Yes. They are a cloud-based server-driven solution. If they let everyone in right away, it may well crash. They’re scaling slowly to make sure their servers hold up.
                                  lexfri
                                    @benbrooks It seems like a nice alternative to it, you know, breaking.
                                    duner
                                      @mschechter @benbrooks do you know if anyone has a number on how many people have gotten in since the first text messages were sent? I would be curious to know. Even if this were a slow rollout, it seems too slow.
                                      jonchang
                                        @dalton @benbrooks does anyone know yet if they store a copy of your email on their servers? The OAuth permissions they ask for from Gmail certainly allow them to…
                                        benbrooks
                                          @lexfri dude what'd they use, WordPress?
                                          lexfri
                                            @benbrooks They’re doing push alerts in real time for email. How many emails do you get? Multiply by 300,000+ active email users. Not chump change! I appreciate that they’re being cautious vs. crashing on day one.
                                            dalton
                                              @jonchang I have no idea. Perhaps their ToS would clarify that point? @benbrooks
                                              jeffmc
                                                @dalton @benbrooks I have to agree, you want to ramp up scaling. I think it is a good marketing ploy, too
                                                benbrooks
                                                  @lexfri I'm just joking. Is email being routed through their servers like Blackberry. If so I don't want that.
                                                  jeffmc
                                                    @dalton @benbrooks come to think of it, it shows how many are lining up. Good to show to investors ;)
                                                    agiletortoise
                                                      @benbrooks @lexfri they may not store it, but they couldn’t do push with info on from/subj without reading your mail. Also, since I don’t use notifications for mail, seems like they could just have a wait list for that feature (like Tweetbot did)
                                                      birchtree
                                                        @benbrooks I feel like charging a premium like $10 with a minimal wait period (hours, not days/weeks) would slow the load as well without pissing people off. "You are 450,000th in line." "Great..."
                                                        lexfri
                                                          @agiletortoise @benbrooks I think they use the server side for snoozing too. Because they ping the Gmail API when you want messages to reappear.
                                                          atdrendel
                                                            @benbrooks They have to scale their server infrastructure to handle retrieving, parsing, analyzing, and storing their users’s email. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want another service having access to my email. Especially another free service.
                                                            danj
                                                              @lexfri @benbrooks Gmail did the same thing, just with less fanfare...
                                                              pwthornton
                                                                @benbrooks I don’t think they want their servers to go down under load and every to think the service sucks. A managed roll out will help squash performance bugs before they piss people off.
                                                                wdc
                                                                  @pwthornton @benbrooks why do they need to use their own servers? They don't host the email...
                                                                  pwthornton
                                                                    @wdc @benbrooks They compress the emails to make them load faster and the app work faster, provide push notifications and more.
                                                                    wdc
                                                                      @pwthornton @benbrooks that is incredibly stupid. Most providers already support those features...
                                                                      pwthornton
                                                                        @wdc @benbrooks It only works with Gmail and Gmail doesn’t provide push for third-party apps.
                                                                        wdc
                                                                          @pwthornton @benbrooks does ActiveSync (which it does support) not work in iOS? I thought it was available.
                                                                          nadyne
                                                                            @wdc @pwthornton @benbrooks - ActiveSync works fine on iOS, it’s what iOS Mail uses for Exchange and many other mail servers that support it. But licensing it is Not Cheap.
                                                                            zacharyabresch
                                                                              @atdrendel @benbrooks seriously … mailbox app only got 100 people signed up in 12 hours. Not only am I concerned about a free service having access to my email, I’m wondering if I even want to wait to find out what Mailbox is all about.
                                                                              atdrendel
                                                                                @zacharyabresch @benbrooks The only reason I’m interested is because I want to see the interface. I plan on creating a new, throwaway Gmail address to test it with.
                                                                                jonchang
                                                                                  @dalton @benbrooks their TOS says they will store a subset of your emails to ensure faster downloading of them to the mailbox app.
                                                                                  david_rysk
                                                                                    @nadyne @wdc @pwthornton @benbrooks also Google stopped providing ActiveSync for non-business accounts.
                                                                                    wdc
                                                                                      @david_rysk @benbrooks @pwthornton @nadyne well thank goodness I have a business account.