@neilco Yeah. There is something fundamentally unserious about trying to find the magic words that will force your intellectual opponent to capitulate. I do think there is a correct answer. But trying to formulate a bulletproof argument won't get you there
The most recent example [stephenlaw.blogspot.com] just strikes me as comprehensively wrong. It happens to be an argument against religious belief. But it is just as unsturdy as Anselm's arguments for God.