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dalton
    My best, most logical (and hopefully un-biased) argument for why folks should post to App.net then push to Twitter, rather than vice-versa, is to avoid t.co garbage. As a user of App.net, I don't want to see mystery-meat t.co links in global. Make sense?
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    sambrentnall
      @dalton 100% agree, I'll swap over as soon as a ADN iPhone app comes out :)
      jungleg
        Makes total sense! -> RP @dalton: My best, most logical argument for why folks should post to App.net then push to Twitter, rather than vice-versa, is to avoid t.co garbage. As a user of App.net, I don't want to see mystery-meat t.co links in global.
        prasad
          Completely agree! » @dalton: "My best, most logical (and hopefully un-biased) argument for why folks should post to App.net then push to Twitter, rather than vice-versa, is to avoid t.co garbage."
          brent
            @dalton Besides, Twitter hates it when you cross post tweets elsewhere. App.net encourages it.
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              lsh
                @dalton what do you think about cl.ly?
                bcarr
                  @dalton What about @buffer and what it's doing? Or would you prefer pushing folks to App.net from Twitter in the way that Twitlonger works?
                  joemmac
                    @dalton yes, but I'd prefer people NOT cross posting
                    dalton
                      @bcarr to be clear it's really a question of personal preference, as long as folks comply with ToS they can do as they wish. I personally am fine with @buffer because it avoids t.co. The latter option you mention sounds good as well.
                      dalton
                        @joemmac I don't disagree, but cross posting is one side-effect of open APIs and we must embrace it. Hopefully folks that don't cross post are rewarded through better experience/engagement etc.
                        dalton
                          @lukashermann I am fine with users that want to use URL shorteners doing so. I have t.co because it ruins every single link that passes through twitter. Even the URL "App.net" gets munged by t.co.
                          zero
                            @dalton Agreed. I also use this Safari extension, which expands t.co URLs, so that they don't end up in my history: http://shauninman.com/archive/2012/01/19/detox
                            solobasssteve
                              @dalton "mystery-meat" as a descriptor of obscured links still makes me laugh a lot. Love it :)
                              solobasssteve
                                @dalton …probably because Mystery Meat always reminds me of this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgwJfbeCeU :)
                                lsh
                                  @dalton but I understand what you mean t.co can make urls so much longer :\
                                  jmock
                                    @zerodistraction Oh man, thank you for reminding about that extension. I had completely forgotten about it.
                                    deviavir
                                      @dalton Lots of sense. I've set up twapp.phuu.net exactly for that reason.
                                      zero
                                        @jmock You're welcome. I bookmark extensions on Pinboard and use an ‘extensions’ tag so I can reference them. Works great.
                                        gh
                                          @dalton I tend to agree, but what about the character limit difference? Much easier to write on ADN...
                                          sxa
                                            @dalton I despise the whole t.co thing with a passion. Making it mandatory is one of the worst ideas they came up with. A good example is anyone tweeting about Will.I.Am which not only turns it into a meaningless URL, but lengthens the tweet!
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                                              ronnreeger
                                                @dalton If I push a 256 character post or one that ends up being more than 140 characters from App.net to Twitter, what will happen on that end?
                                                eg
                                                  @dalton Personally, I'm not a fan of link shorteners. I'd rather see where the URL I'm about to click take, or even "read" the URL to know "oh yeah, I've already seen that story". But in regards to t.co links — couldn't the API auto-unshorten them?
                                                  danyork
                                                    @dalton I agree with the value in posting to App.net and pushing to Twitter rather than vice-versa. I, too, don't favor the hidden URLs.
                                                    johnthebastard
                                                      @dalton Is there a link shortener in the works that auto-expands in App.net posts?
                                                      sujal
                                                        @dalton it does, but the problem is tweet length & tool polish. I think we're a month or two away from apps being good enough to use as primary.
                                                        clint
                                                          I'm using this now: >> ca@dalton I made a recipe for that http://ifttt.com/recipes/53800
                                                          dema
                                                            @clint I prefer the conditional push with a given hashtag. I choose this http://ifttt.com/recipes/53824
                                                            mdangear
                                                              @dalton @prasadrl Actually I like G+ approach of not allowing automated post. Then the messages there are real. Cross-posting makes it a pain to track conversations. It is like having a beer in 2 bars at the same time, with 2 different groups. Not ideal.
                                                              elyse
                                                                >> @dalton: My best, most logical (and hopefully un-biased) argument for why folks should post to App.net then push to Twitter, rather than vice-versa, is to avoid t.co garbage. As a user of App.net, I don't want to see mystery-meat t.co links in global.
                                                                dtk
                                                                  RP @dalton: As a user of App.net, I don't want to see mystery-meat t.co links in global.
                                                                  dalton
                                                                    @galmeida there are a few reasons why I don't think this legally could/should happen.
                                                                    dalton
                                                                      @mdangear I understand your points, but the bedrock of this service is that it is an open API for users to do as they wish with their data, unlike G+. I anticipate that community norms re:cross posting will occur. Also it will be easy to filter by source
                                                                      dalton
                                                                        @ronnreeger not sure how IFTTT handles it, probably it truncates? /cc @johnsheehan
                                                                        jamie
                                                                          @dalton I would repost this but it's exactly 256 characters. Lol
                                                                          jordan
                                                                            @dalton Is there any way that App.net could add support for expanding any URL posted from a list of short hostnames (t.co, j.mp, etc.)?
                                                                            dalton
                                                                              @jordan there are legal and conceptual issues with messing with content flowing in the "pipes". Perhaps 3rd party apps can do it, at the wish of the user.
                                                                              willettjf
                                                                                @ronnreeger Depends on which service you're using. @phuu has built a tool that will post a link back to your original ADN post. http://twapp.phuu.net/
                                                                                sull
                                                                                  @dalton posting to ADN first also allows you and others to repost/share the content without concern of Twitter Display Requirements. Instead of embedding a tweet, you can embed a post from an ADN service and format it however you want. worth mentioning.
                                                                                  sull
                                                                                    The t.co stuff really annoyed me too. They were supposed to make it work just like a regular hyperlink, letting users choose what text is displayed. But like most things, they never followed through with that. Screwed up one of my apps actually.
                                                                                    bencarter
                                                                                      >>@sull @dalton posting to ADN first also allows you and others to repost/share the content without concern of Twitter Display Requirements. Instead of embedding a tweet, you can embed a post from an ADN service and format it however you want...
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                                                                                        ronnreeger
                                                                                          @willettjf Interesting concept by @phuu. But the web page doesn't tell me how it works. Only that it does. Is it a set and forget service or something that requires an action on my part each time I make a post?
                                                                                          willettjf
                                                                                            @ronnreeger It will send each App.net post (excluding replies and reposts) to Twitter and add an #adn hash tag. If your post is longer than 140 characters, it will be shortened and a link to your App.net post will be added.
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                                                                                              @ronnreeger Set and forget. Actually, he's added settings since I set up mine. Here's the view: http://yfrog.com/12bzihj
                                                                                              sambrentnall
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                                                                                                djp
                                                                                                  @jamie @dalton talking about character limitations guys, maybe a URL shortener would be really handy !
                                                                                                  phuu
                                                                                                    @ronnreeger Hi, thanks for your interest. It's a set and forget, but you set up a few options at the start to make sure it works how you want. And you can always opt-out of posting by using #nt somewhere in the post.
                                                                                                    sambrentnall
                                                                                                      @timrpeterson that's not out yet is it... Goes to check
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                                                                                                        @phuu Thanks for the reply and clarification.
                                                                                                        sambrentnall
                                                                                                          @timrpeterson thank you, I've just requested access to the beta :)
                                                                                                          sambrentnall
                                                                                                            @timrpeterson can't wait! Hopefully they don't take to long to approve me
                                                                                                            phuu
                                                                                                              @ronnreeger No problem, if you have any more questions just let me know.
                                                                                                              annatarkov
                                                                                                                @dalton What about other shorteners like bit.ly?
                                                                                                                dalton
                                                                                                                  @annatarkov I think it is completely fine for users to use URL shorteners if they intentionally mean to. My issue with t.co is that twitter automatically shortens every single URL in every single tweet, even the word "App.net", for instance
                                                                                                                  plynx
                                                                                                                    @dalton @annatarkov no doubt they do it for the tracking data, and don't tell me they haven't at least thought about interstitial ads, even though it would be crazy for them to actually do it.
                                                                                                                    annatarkov
                                                                                                                      @dalton Gotcha. Yeah, it's insane that t.co does that. By the way, a thousand thank yous for standing up for users in everything you say and do.
                                                                                                                      dsheetz
                                                                                                                        @dalton I think I agree. Main problem as of now is the lack of full featured ADN iOS client. I have a feeling that problem will be going away in in short order, though.
                                                                                                                        dsheetz
                                                                                                                          @dalton doesn't need to be unbiased to be a good point. I'll give it a shot.
                                                                                                                          yared
                                                                                                                            @dalton agreed - i cannot stand t.co
                                                                                                                            karoli
                                                                                                                              @dalton The other argument is that app.net is a way to limit your interaction to actual people, rather than trolls and salesmen. If I can send posts to twitter via app.net, that cuts down the noise, leaving nice signal.
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                                                                                                                                @karoli I certainly hope it stays that way :)
                                                                                                                                karoli
                                                                                                                                  @dalton me too. I would love to actually be able to have a conversation without a bunch of fake sock puppet accounts in my face. They can have Twitter.
                                                                                                                                  ronnreeger
                                                                                                                                    @phuu Tom - What is up with Twapp sending out posts that I didn't make? That is not cool.
                                                                                                                                    phuu
                                                                                                                                      @ronnreeger Hi – I'm really sorry about that. I totally messed up and it send out some test data. You can read more about it here: http://phuu.net/2012/09/13/i-messed-up-i-am-sorry.html I'm very sorry.
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                                                                                                                                        @phuu Things happen and it will be okay. Just a little nerve racking to wake up to posts I didn't make. Had to scramble to figure out what was causing it and get them removed. Main concern, initially, was that my account had been hacked.
                                                                                                                                        phuu
                                                                                                                                          @ronnreeger Yeah sure, I totally understand. But fortunately no hacking, just a mistake on my part. Thanks for understanding.
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                                                                                                                                            @phuu The bright side to all this is that I am guessing it was a good learning experience for you. :-) No harm here, so no foul.
                                                                                                                                            phuu
                                                                                                                                              @ronnreeger It was indeed :) That's good to hear.