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dalton
    We just posted the 1st draft of the App.net Terms of Service to Github -> http://bit.ly/T0jNsM I am sure there will be a lot of feedback/thoughts on this. We're soliciting feedback. Please treat as an earnest first draft, not a "perfect" final version.
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    seanbonner
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      joshblake
        I just submitted a pull request on the ADN Terms of Service "Copyright policy no longer invokes capital punishment on repeat infringers" https://github.com/appdotnet/terms-of-service/pull/2 cc @dalton @berg
        dalton
          @joshblake ha! I wonder if there is a legal reason it was originally phrased that way. Good catch :)
          duerig
            LOL. Great point. >> @joshblake I just submitted a pull request on the ADN Terms of Service "Copyright policy no longer invokes capital punishment on repeat infringers" https://github.com/appdotnet/terms-of-service/pull/2 cc @dalton @berg
            dancohen
              @dalton Could you explain a little more the thinking behind banning "political campaigning"? I mean, I'm for it when joined with "unsolicited"—i.e., then it's spam—but it's an unusual line in TOSes, & may raise 1st Amendment questions among some in the US.
              dalton
                @dancohen the key word in that bullet point is "unsolicited". Do you feel that that term is unclearly applying the word "unsolicited" to the entire sentence?
                dancohen
                  @dalton Bingo. I assumed that was the meaning, but pulling out "political campaigning" as a separate clause seems...impolitic. Why not just generalize that line to "no unsolicited messages promoting products, services, or causes" or something like that.
                  dalton
                    @dancohen OK good point. Will filter this feedback through our lawyer into next draft. Sounds straightforward to me.
                    ju
                      @dalton Will there be any restriction for adult content?
                      aphroditesw
                        @ju @dalton Not him, but there are some very young devs here. 13 is the youngest I've seen.
                        axodys
                          Just saw that @dalton had announced the 1st draft of the Terms of Services: http://bit.ly/T0jNsM Didn't see anything particularly troublesome after a quick read through. It will be interesting to see if anybody comes up with significant issues.
                          elizabeth
                            Started HTML when I was 12. Wish I had continued... Get it, kids. >> @aphroditesoftwr @ju @dalton Not him, but there are some very young devs here. 13 is the youngest I've seen.
                            fields
                              @dalton In general, I frown upon "we reserve the right to change these terms at any time". I would prefer to see a better process outlined for that - notification period, comments, etc...
                              dalton
                                @fields I agree with you on that one, we have been discussing this internally quite a bit. Would you be willing to open a github issue on it so we can track it in public?
                                fields
                                  @dalton Also, it seems like several of the data gathering /stats apps (@clint) are already in violation of "App.net materials". It seems like all of the interesting innovative services will be under there. What will be the policy for that?
                                  elizabeth
                                    @davidcoallier And by "them," you mean "me"... CoderDojo, here I come.
                                    fields
                                      @dalton Are you really prohibiting public performances? What if someone wants to hook /global up to a projector in Times Square? Isn't that publicly viewable data anyway?
                                      dalton
                                        @fields fwiw there will be an additional ToS doc for devs. Someone opened an issue to track the things you are discussing here: https://github.com/appdotnet/terms-of-service/issues/5 feel free to add to it
                                        dalton
                                          @fields sorry if I was unclear, I was hoping to keep ToS issues under the github ToS project here: https://github.com/appdotnet/terms-of-service and keep API-spec to just API issues
                                          fields
                                            @dalton Oh, whoops - I didn't realize tos was a separate project. Can you move that, or should I recreate it on the other project?
                                            dalton
                                              @fields i dont believe there is a way for me to move it. probably best to re-create it
                                              fields
                                                @dalton I moved both of those over.
                                                dalton
                                                  @fields thank you, really appreciate it :)
                                                  fields
                                                    @dalton I think @duerig's comments on tos issue 5 cover most of my concerns.
                                                    dalton
                                                      @axodys I am just as curious. I like to believe sharing/asking for feedback in this way will make the doc far better than the more conventional alternative
                                                      ant
                                                        @dalton terms feedback. The DMCA is open to abuse. You're obligated to act, essentially blindly, but you still have no way of knowing if it's fabricated or valid. Therefore banning "repeat offenders" is open to abuse also (series of fake DMCA requests).
                                                        mattflaschen
                                                          @dalton I just wanted to thank you for taking a transparent approach to the #TOS. I've already left a fair amount of feedback. I encourage everyone to take a look; you can request edits without having git; just login and click "Edit". http://bit.ly/T0jNsM
                                                          ant
                                                            @dalton feedback. The Copyright Policy link in your terms appears to give a 404.
                                                            dalton
                                                              @mattflaschen thanks for taking the time to leave this feedback, we really appreciate it :)
                                                              ant
                                                                @dalton The sentence "unsolicited promotions, political campaigning.." sounds ambiguous. All political campaigning or unsolicited political campaigning? Even if latter, many would fail this term when they reply to a political post in global feed.
                                                                dalton
                                                                  @ant would you be willing to open/comment on issues in the repo here: https://github.com/appdotnet/terms-of-service It's a far better way to track them, and some of your questions have already been asked/raised as issues there
                                                                  ant
                                                                    @dalton ok, will take a look on github comments tomorrow when I'm less sleepy :) iPad + bed = bad habits.
                                                                    luciano
                                                                      @dalton went through the Terms of Service, seems pretty clear to me (I'm not a native English speaker) and I have nothing worth reporting. In general the terms seems very sane and fair to me.
                                                                      gsa
                                                                        @dalton Hi! The only thing I don't understand is “please do not post” in the content & conduct section. Do you mean “you may not” or “we cannot really stop you doing it”?
                                                                        megavark
                                                                          @dalton I'm looking forward to reading the ADN TOS and privacy statement. I'll be asking students to read TOS from various sites in the class I'm teaching this fall on social networking and online privacy. Thank you for soliciting input. No small thing.
                                                                          dalton
                                                                            @megavark thanks. Would appreciate to hear your feedback. Is it an undergrad class? I am a Stanford grad myself. Symbolic Systems '03
                                                                            megavark
                                                                              @dalton Yes, it's an undergrad class, part of the university's writing requirement but with the theme of online privacy in the era of social networks. We touch on law, culture, innovation, etc. with students pursuing individual research projects.
                                                                              megavark
                                                                                @dalton And, yeah, will definitely be looking at the privacy statement, TOS soon. I love that stuff even if I'm not a lawyer.
                                                                                jimrhiz
                                                                                  .@dancohen @dalton @ant Note the #TOS discussion “What does unsolicited mean” started by GitHub@brentdax: https://github.com/appdotnet/terms-of-service/issues/12 /cc @brent (=brentdax?) @mattflaschen
                                                                                  brent
                                                                                    @jimrhiz Yes, I'm "brentdax" or "Brent Dax" most places.