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clarkgoble
    @oluseyi @johngordon OpenDoc was a little more ambitious than just that. Although in practice I think the only thing beyond those was CyberDog and even that I suppose you could argue fit the categories. It never had good implementations.
    clarkgoble
      @johngordon Have you heard of that company Apple bought? I’m skeptical they can do what they say they do.
      clarkgoble
        @jws @johngordon @mjtsai @adiabatic However 30 days is insufficient as backup and even one year while great is not ideal. Depending upon your data you really ought to go back farther than that. (Imagine a photo that got corrupted 2 years ago)
        clarkgoble
          @oluseyi @johngordon From an UI perspective how to deal with embedded objects in a document model seems nontrivial. I honestly can’t recall how OpenDoc handled it.
          clarkgoble
            @jws @johngordon @mjtsai @adiabatic I should have remembered that. I actually have an app that helps me manage that. I just always use Time Machine. Thanks.
            clarkgoble
              @jws @adiabatic @johngordon @mjtsai Also any backup system worthy of the name should give you a few versions back. Typically the problem isn’t losing the file but corrupting the file.
              clarkgoble
                @adiabatic @johngordon @jws @mjtsai Dropbox is a syncing service but not a backup service. But maybe I’m misunderstanding what you are seeing in it?
                clarkgoble
                  @johngordon I confess that while Sierra is far less of a significant update than Yosemite I’ll really miss the new iMessage.
                  clarkgoble
                    @jws A lot of object use is, I’m convinced, really more about the notion of modules/namespaces rather than really being true objects.
                    clarkgoble
                      @jws @mjtsai @johngordon I used to use Google Docs a lot. I’ve found myself moving away from it. I can’t recall the last time I used it. Although my kids new school seems to use it a lot so that might be changing.
                      clarkgoble
                        @johngordon @jws @mjtsai The biggest place there’s a problem is in Photos where really doesn’t have an easy way to sync photos from two Apple IDs.
                        clarkgoble
                          @johngordon @jws @mjtsai I’ve found, despite the problems in things like Music, that Apple’s solution is very good for non-techies who just don’t get these issues or complexities. Of course that hides the big gaps and problems that can pop up.
                          clarkgoble
                            @johngordon @mjtsai @jws This is true across the board. Backups of cloud data is far from a solved problem. Made worse if you have a ton of silos. I was actually hoping WWDC would introduce solutions to this.
                            clarkgoble
                              @oluseyi @johngordon On the other hand it’s notable on Windows how few 3rd parties embraced either OLE or scripting. It’s fantastic within Office but if anything less embraced that Applescript is. And that’s bad.
                              clarkgoble
                                @oluseyi @johngordon I think that article I provided more or less agrees with that analysis. To the author Apple should have done what MS did and simply made the apps themselves. But there was opposition from Claris within Apple.
                                clarkgoble
                                  @johngordon I don’t know beyond the existing version doesn’t work with Sierra. Sounds like he was already doing a rewrite and this prompted finishing it rather than just fixing bugs. But it’s not clear from his GitHub account what’s going on.
                                  clarkgoble
                                    @johngordon what did you think of that Apple Glimpse purchase. http://bit.ly/2bzsyiS I confess I didn’t get it but it sounds like Mint for health records. i.e. attempts to unify ones data. http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=31754009#p31754009
                                    clarkgoble
                                      @johngordon @oluseyi Yeah. Great idea but not the best implementation. Apple dog fooded some of it but not enough of it. https://gregmaletic.wordpress.com/2006/11/12/opendoc/
                                      clarkgoble
                                        @johngordon At this stage any productivity apps with no export should be rejected. (Although I’m still using Appigo although you should be able to export those by way of the server)