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chockenberry
    Why is App.net a bad name? Try doing a Google search to find App.net apps. Then imagine telling someone about an "app-dot-net-app" and watching them be as confused as Google. This is a unique service, which deserves a unique name.
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    pablasso
      @chockenberry I just hope that what ends up being famous are the apps. Not the platform.
      daniel
        @chockenberry What about calling it "ADN"? I agree, the google search results for applications are abysmal.
        chockenberry
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          teeheehee
            @chockenberry The first time I heard of ADN I thought it was something Microsoft related.
            robertpalmer
              @chockenberry It's going to be hard to name a functional app.net app. A fapp, if you will.
              daveruske
                Re: @chockenberry "Why is App.net a bad name? [...]" Exactly. Common services will need better branding for appeal, app.net won't cut it. Think "tweet" is to "Twitter" as "______" is to "app.net." It's not about cute, it's about being memorable.
                gte
                  @chockenberry yeah, it was awful trying to find clients. I've a feeling they'll spin off a web front end that'll say it's "Powered by App.net". Users would have an "app.net" login that could be used for many things.
                  guscost
                    @gruber does seem pretty damn good
                    pvm
                      Definitely - name is important. RP @gruber: Agree with Chock on this: https://alpha.app.net/chockenberry/post/94745
                      freekrai
                        @gruber @chockenberry agree on name.. And also on the hope that the apps themselves become more defining than the platform so the name won't matter as much
                        noah
                          We need a definitive roadmap for what alpha is going to be on the future first. The official story is that it is just a proof of concept. ADN is fine as a backend technology name (even if it is too close to .NET).
                          noah
                            "In", auto-correct. Sheesh; Unless we know for certain what the consumer form of ADN is going to be, we might be splitting hairs over what is essentially @dalton's EC2.
                            noah
                              I.e., no one gives a fuck what Amazon calls it, just that Instagram, Pinterest, etc. run amazing apps on it.
                              stwrz
                                @jordanbarker one of my favorite articles of all time.
                                teawithcarl
                                  @daveruske While I hate the (App.net) name too, ..... a "zapp" (tweet) is great for "what we send".
                                  teawithcarl
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                                    teawithcarl
                                      @dalton @gruber @chockenberry @orian While I hate the (App.net) name too, ..... a "zapp" (tweet) is great for "what we send". Hey wait, that's it !!! Let's call Alpha ... Zapp.net !!! (it's available cheap)
                                      jdscolam
                                        I may be crazy here, but I actually like the name. Let's stick it in the eye of Google's crappy ad-driven social-skimming based searches until they have to alter results to keep the App.net (ADN) platform from the list.
                                        sham
                                          Zapp.net? Like the speech bubbles in old batman comics? ZAAAAAAAPPP!!!!
                                          joshblake
                                            This. Pinterest has "pins" even though in AWS they're whatever data structure APIs. >> @noah i.e., no one gives a fuck what Amazon calls it, just that Instagram, Pinterest, etc. run amazing apps on it.
                                            joshblake
                                              @teawithcarl Sorry, but zapp is just another in a series of bad suggestions.
                                              greyharris
                                                If it IS a platform, then ADN is fine as far as I'm concerned. It sounds like ADM (Archer-Daniels-Midland) and ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), but what the hell!? It's a platform, right?
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                                                  podnar
                                                    @sneakyness @joshblake @teawithcarl just let be Epic nobody will ever associate with Twitter
                                                    texburgher
                                                      @gruber Same here. Names convey meaning. Importance of first impressions, etc.
                                                      es
                                                        Shared @chockenberry: Why is App.net a bad name? Try doing a Google search to find App.net apps. Then imagine telling someone about an "app-dot-net-app" and watching them be as confused as Google. This is a unique service, which deserves a unique name.
                                                        adiabatic
                                                          @teawithcarl wonder who'll write the first client named Brannigan
                                                          bruun
                                                            @gruber Could one possibly, maybe pick your brain on UI input for an app-dot-net-app?
                                                            kkai
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                                                              henry
                                                                @adiabatic I'd use a client named Brannigan only if the notification sounds were hardcoded as Brannigan-isms. But yeah, "zapp" is a terrible choice of name.
                                                                kkai
                                                                  I agree that app.net is not great. Still I did a google search for apps and it works reasonably well. Not sure if it's a good idea to change the name after it got so much traction ... ( btw crowdsourcing a name seems a bad idea ;-) )
                                                                  khaine
                                                                    @chockenberry I agree it definitely needs a catchier name
                                                                    timburks
                                                                      Further evidence that we geeks suck at marketing.
                                                                      friday
                                                                        @chockenberry How about Dotter? Too much like Twitter probably.
                                                                        orian
                                                                          @chockenberry damn, this thread is really compounding for me how much of a problem we have here distinguishing platforms, networks, services, clients, etc. In my mind App.net is a platform and the name is fine (like AWS, EC2, etc)...
                                                                          orian
                                                                            @chockenberry alpha.app.net however is a network, and it needs a real name. Pinterest is a network, pins are objects created by the network. But who knows / cares what infrastructure platform it runs on.
                                                                            orian
                                                                              That said, I really am starting to hate this "Twitter has Tweets so Alpha must have _____?" thought process. What is Facebook's _____?
                                                                              stephenwashburn
                                                                                @orian exactly, if an app.net stream ends up used as the comments/messages platform on a blog, wouldn't it be better for that blog to be able to label what they are? ie messages or comments, instead of whatever name the infrastructure came up with?
                                                                                orian
                                                                                  Flickr doesn't have flicks, it has photos. Wordpress doesn't have blurps, it has blog posts. Having a fun name for the objects that are created on the network is not necessary and may even be antithetical to the platform idea.
                                                                                  mas
                                                                                    @orian with you on that brother. Not sure if that's result of people needing comparatives that are familiar (read: comfortable), or an over-analysis of the paralysis...
                                                                                    guscost
                                                                                      Shared @orian: Flickr doesn't have flicks, it has photos. Wordpress doesn't have blurps, it has blog posts. Having a fun name for the objects that are created on the network is not necessary and may even be antithetical to the platform idea.
                                                                                      orian
                                                                                        @stephenwashburn yes, the network can choose what it wants to call its objects. If a someone wants to create a network for donkey lovers and call the posts on the network "asspics" they should be able to. They shouldn't have to call them tweets or zapps.
                                                                                        orian
                                                                                          Now if we're talking about getting traction for a social network we're currently calling Alpha, perhaps that needs a new name and a fun word for a post. I'm fine with having that discussion. But lets get the context right.
                                                                                          mas
                                                                                            #repeat #reinforce >> @orian: Now if we're talking about getting traction for a social network we're currently calling Alpha, perhaps that needs a new name and a fun word for a post. I'm fine with having that discussion. But lets get the context right.
                                                                                            orian
                                                                                              @mas I'm pretty sure this is just the disconnect between alpha.app.net as a network and app.net as a platform which I tried to clarify in http://www.orianmarx.com/2012/08/13/how-app-net-can-change-everything/ . I've started working on a visual approach.
                                                                                              mas
                                                                                                @orian suspect you're right. Am finding it interesting to watch the various threads of discussion, here and elsewhere...ironically sandwiched between finishing Kahneman's 'Thinking Fast and Slow' and just starting Weinberger's 'Too Big To Know'
                                                                                                orian
                                                                                                  @mas I just finished re-reading "Everything is Miscellaneous" which has been hugely influential for me. Haven't read either of those two.
                                                                                                  joshblake
                                                                                                    @orian is beating this thread with a clue stick, HARD. Beat on, brother.
                                                                                                    mas
                                                                                                      @orian need to trip back and do the same w/ that one. Have lots of respect for t@dweinberger. Can't rec Kahneman enough.
                                                                                                      orian
                                                                                                        Ha, let's see who hits back >> @joshblake: @orian is beating this thread with a clue stick, HARD. Beat on, brother.
                                                                                                        kkai
                                                                                                          thinking it over ... app.net sounds like the url to the windows 8 app store ;) ... as https://twitter.com/tonyhursh points out here http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4403138
                                                                                                          danielgenser
                                                                                                            Personally, I've always thought Amazon's acronym platform names unnecessarily confusing, too. (AWS, EC2, S2)
                                                                                                            dan
                                                                                                              @chockenberry I'd retweet (re-app?) this if I could. I'd also favorite it if I could. I guess I'll do it old-school-style with a RT ... or wait, maybe RA?
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                                                                                                                johncarney
                                                                                                                  @dan I think people are going with RP (Re-Post)
                                                                                                                  ag
                                                                                                                    @dan I suggested "RP" (for re-post) a few weeks ago and some folks seem to be running w/ that...
                                                                                                                    aaronmoodie
                                                                                                                      App.net is great because it's ubiquitous and non descript. its the perfect name for a service that is the backbone of many others
                                                                                                                      adrianlogue
                                                                                                                        @aaronmoodie yes, that's not obvious at the moment but it will become more apparent when there are more applications of the type @q is doing.
                                                                                                                        stwrz
                                                                                                                          @aaronmoodie Totally. It's like Apple's "App Store".
                                                                                                                          joshuaarnao
                                                                                                                            @dan I've seen a lot of people using RP (repost).
                                                                                                                            keithb
                                                                                                                              @dan RP for repost. Some third party web apps have already added buttons to do this
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                                                                                                                                documentally
                                                                                                                                  @keithb @Dan I saw @Dalton drop into the FAQ that he preferred >> and a coupe of apps have changed.
                                                                                                                                  documentally
                                                                                                                                    @ag @dan For some reason i wanted Rs for reshare. Changed my mind now.. https://alpha.app.net/documentally/post/2803
                                                                                                                                    johnboy
                                                                                                                                      RP @chockenberry: Why is App.net a bad name? Try doing a Google search to find App.net apps. Then imagine telling someone about an "app-dot-net-app" and watching them be as confused as Google. This is a unique service, which deserves a unique name.
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                                                                                                                                        agboola
                                                                                                                                          @chockenberry Given how this started why don't we find a great URL and then organise a raise to buy it. It's what funded startups do - remember getdropbox.com? There might even be an App.net user with something appropriate and nounable to sell.
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                                                                                                                                            I'm with @chockenberry in that App.Net needs a new name, something normal people can latch on to and understand. Simple. Identifiable. Unless App.Net intends to remain in the realm of techies only.
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                                                                                                                                              Consider a web site (such as mine), where I have modules that copy my last 5 tweets, my last 5 posts (blog posts), I'd like to add my last 5 App.Net posts. Can't just say last 5 posts, that doesn't indicate the source... "Last 5 App.Net Posts" is too long.
                                                                                                                                              cocanuta
                                                                                                                                                @davewood What about "Last 5 ADN Posts" ? I think I've even seen the term "Tapps" being used, could be wrong there.
                                                                                                                                                davewood
                                                                                                                                                  @cocanuta How you you say (verbally) ADN? Still seems too techie (scary) for normal people. Trying to think of something my sister, mother, or uncle would 'get' and be able to use in a real life conversation.
                                                                                                                                                  davewood
                                                                                                                                                    @cocanuta App.Net needs a verb to become mainstream. I just zapped about x. Frank zapped a link for... Though I don't like zapp itself. Tapps... I just tapped x. Has a whole other meaning when x is a person...
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                                                                                                                                                      @davewood That's very true ADN feels very technical jargon. We all need to come up with a term for posts/posting on #ADN that can be used in every day conversation. Be sure to share what you end up deciding on for your site.
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                                                                                                                                                        @davewood hah, somehow the other meaning of "tapped" sailed strait over my head when I first saw it. I'm so glad I didn't use that yet..
                                                                                                                                                        elicourey
                                                                                                                                                          @davewood IBM, ABC, NBC, AMD, CNN, NFL, NBA among others all seem to have been successful, so I don't think ADN will have issues as long as they market the service well.
                                                                                                                                                          davewood
                                                                                                                                                            Just thinking out loud here. Could call posts 'Polnts', as in I made a point in that discussion about x. Might encourage more intelligent posts, over 'I had x for dinner'.
                                                                                                                                                            cocanuta
                                                                                                                                                              @davewood What if what I had for dinner is amazing, then am I okay to 'PoInt' about it? Just seeing how it feels in conversation.
                                                                                                                                                              davewood
                                                                                                                                                                @elicourey You're missing my point*. It's not that a 3 letter name can't become a brand, surely it can. It's not easy to make it a verb though. You can tweet x, you can Google x, you don't IBM x or CNN x. * http://bit.ly/ODr7bb
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                                                                                                                                                                  @davewood you don't Apple x either. The name Apple sounded stupid at the time.
                                                                                                                                                                  davewood
                                                                                                                                                                    @cocanuta Yeah, I'm not sure Point would be the verb, it's the entity really. You make a point, or point out, or point to... I pointed to a link on ADN? I pointed to a photo of my awesome dinner. I pointed out my mistake....
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                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, I love the way alpha brings up all the points in a discussion, no matter how forked the conversation is. Way easier to follow than on Twitter. Good work guys.
                                                                                                                                                                      cocanuta
                                                                                                                                                                        @davewood Your on to something here sir. Follow that trail...
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                                                                                                                                                                          Y'all just shut "zapps" down right the hell now because that's potato chips and you damn well know it. Might as well call posts Crawtators.
                                                                                                                                                                          davidengles
                                                                                                                                                                            @cocanuta @davewood Points is definitely my new favourite word for posts.
                                                                                                                                                                            elicourey
                                                                                                                                                                              @davewood I've heard characters on shows use BBM as a verb, but I don't actually know anyone with a BlackBerry, so I'm not sure if it's used in real life, haha. But I see your point.
                                                                                                                                                                              davewood
                                                                                                                                                                                @elicourey Good point. BBM is used as a verb in that way (certainly up here in Canada). Also brings to mind IM and SMS. IM me later, or I SMS'd you earlier etc. So it can be done. Though I think people using those terms are more technical than average.
                                                                                                                                                                                dai
                                                                                                                                                                                  @aaronmoodie It definitely wont help creating easy to recognise related apps though. Twitter's name has an inherent brand, birds tweeting, which can be easily leveraged. App.net is so mechanical and lifeless, I think it will be more a hinderance initially.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    aaronmoodie
                                                                                                                                                                                      @dai I think to see app.net as a 'brand' is to miss the potential for the service. An API, which is what ADN essentially is, shouldn't take the limelight. That, and I think 'twitter' as a brand, will date drastically.
                                                                                                                                                                                      ag
                                                                                                                                                                                        @documentally Yeah, having read through it, RS seems fine to me, too. I have no problem w/ RP either, obviously, nor do I think "post" is cold or RP is close to "RIP" -- but I like the idea of re-sharing.
                                                                                                                                                                                        ag
                                                                                                                                                                                          @documentally HOWEVER, if you then take the MT (modified tweet) idea, you can't easily do "MS" w/out, oh, a boatload of related pictures in ppl's minds. MP seems mildly better to me.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            @ag @documentally You might want to reconsider that. In Australia RS is an abbreviation for "rat shit" :D http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rat%20Shit
                                                                                                                                                                                            kofeyh
                                                                                                                                                                                              @johncarney @ag @documentally -- never mind it's also an electronics/ parts chain. RS. :)
                                                                                                                                                                                              johncarney
                                                                                                                                                                                                @kofeyh @ag @documentally which cause me and my friends no end of amusement when they first opened stores here :D
                                                                                                                                                                                                documentally
                                                                                                                                                                                                  @johncarney Yes we wouldn't want to give the Aussie user a giggle would we. Besides, they abbreviate everything. It's impossible to avoid. Old conversation now anyway. I'm over it. :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                  fusioncompound
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Must have been the shortest domain they could buy. Size matters?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    mattflaschen
                                                                                                                                                                                                      @chockenberry the idea is that developers do the branding. You don't say, "search to find App.net apps". You say, "I love SpecificADNApp. You should try it", and SpecificADNApp's devs can market it too. This is a bold approach; time will tell if it works.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      blier
                                                                                                                                                                                                        @chockenberry I've been calling it "Appnet", leaving out the "dot". I think it's a nice name and "Appnet app" is easy to say and is understandable.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                          @davewood normal people can tolerate weird names. Googol is an obscure large number, Google is named after it, and look at them now. Further app.net is simple. You don't have to know how to code an app to learn the name.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                            mattflaschen
                                                                                                                                                                                                              @davewood app dot net. One syllable more than app store. Same number as McDonald's.
                                                                                                                                                                                                              jcburns
                                                                                                                                                                                                                @blier:"'Appnet app' is easy to say and is understandable." Don't know about easy, but certainly FUN to say over and over and over when you've had a few.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  davewood
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @mattflaschen yes, people can tolerate weird names. But I feel it's easier to market the platform/service etc if there is a coherent theme, that makes sense, and is distinguishable. 'Posts' is too generic. Blog posts, forum posts, Facebook Posts etc.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      @mattflaschen Plus, there's already two different ways to say app.net, App dot net, and app net. I'm going with app net myself so far. Less geeky.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @davewood now that you mention it, FB has no term equivalent to tweet, and that doesn't seem to be an obstacle.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        davewood
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          @mattflaschen FB actually does have a term, they call them Stories. They actually differentiate them into subtypes - Status Update, Photos, Likes, Friends, all as part of your Activity Log (which users know as the Timeline now). Ref: http://on.fb.me/PAHLMx
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @davewood the only one of those equivalent to "tweet" is "status update", and that is generic enough that it can be used here without trademark issues or confusion. Also, I don't hear "story" much from actual people using FB.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @mattflaschen Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of FB, & don't think we should use FB as a model. FB became mainstream through a whole different mechanism, students. Twitter has celebs. What's app.net's draw or appeal to non techies? How do we get them on?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @davewood I don't think we should emulate FB either. Basically, the main plan is 1. Dvs make cool social apps. 2. Normal people hear about one or more of those apps, and sign up so they it use it with a friend or person they admire.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  @mattflaschen It will be easier (and less confusing) to get people on board with one well known system that has multiple ways to consume it and contribute to it, than to get people on board with those individual methods separately. #IMHO
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @mattflaschen I'm imagining people saying A:"Hey you should get AppBot so we can chat" B:"No get apperific", A:"But I use AppBot to talk to C", B:"But D uses apperific", & you've created artificial fragmentation because they seem to be different systems.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      @davewood yeah, I think that's a known risk, but we should be able to mitigate it with some kind of powered by App.net logo and marketing. /cc @dalton
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @davewood Also, when people actually try to use apperific, the OAuth dialog will come up. Adding a clear sign up button and logo to that (when we're out of alpha) will obviously help.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          @mattflaschen If your answer is to have an App.Net logo (brand) and marketing, then we're on the same side of the discussion. The App.Net brand (renamed or not) must become known to users, so it's in the system's interest to have the apps market it as well
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @mattflaschen With apps marketing App.Net, as well as their own app of course, then we get into a similar situation as Twitter, and that works. App.Net is meant to be better, but it should keep the parts that already work, and improve the parts that don't.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @davewood I think devs and users should take the lead on marketing, but app.net should be standing behind them with a reassuring (to the user) smile (logo and low-key marketing).
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @mattflaschen I think that will work, so long as devs/users are marketing App.Net is the system/platform/whatever, and their app sits on top. A lot of people get Twitter now, so it should be easy to explain. I think my Mum even gets Twitter (somewhat) :)
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Shared @gruber: Agree with Chock on this: https://alpha.app.net/chockenberry/post/94745 | Yep, me too. app.net is a terrible name for this.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @aaronmoodie How do you envisage it being any different from a Twitter-esque service? I've been too busy of late to get to grips with the direction of app.net...care to fill me in on 'the potential for the service',
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Shared @gruber: Agree with Chock on this: https://alpha.app.net/chockenberry/post/94745 | This is true community ownership, trying to rename the whole project. This is an important conversation for the future of this project. Interesting...
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @friday I like Dotter. It's so figurative. The dot is what connects "app" and "net" and that's what it's going to be hopefully. Also: it means yolk in german...
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          100% agree with @davewood, the app.net backend needs to be user visible branding. Users need to know what their new iOS app can post to, and which of their friends are part of it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          max_sang
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @chockenberry I quite agree. I'm using a backend service from parse.com for my Android app. It's really good but the signal to noise on a name like that is basically zero.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                @chockenberry Looking for a name analogous to Twitter? Let's call it Yak. Have a yack, or yackety-yak someone else's yack. That'd make for a lot of yacks from a lot of yackers! Amazing idea, right? Riiight? ;) [some dude's registering a domain right now…]