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lkrubner
    @bonq - I am curious, http://www.kachingle.com has given up on funding content and switched its focus to funding apps. Do you think Flattr will need to pivot in a similar way?
    bonq
      @lkrubner Nope not at all, we have always been much bigger than kachingle and had a better product. We actually are focusing even more on content soon. Besides we are internet and not suits. =)
      lkrubner
        @bonq "Besides we are internet and not suits. =)". That is a good one!
        bonq
          @lkrubner Hehe, at least some % of the Flattr code has been made in our hammock. That is a feature!
          lkrubner
            @bonq - why do you say you are bigger than Kachingle? What metrics do you use?
            bonq
              @lkrubner As kachingling has been public all the time it's easy for us to know.
              lkrubner
                @bonq - I see. Are there stats about Flattr that are as public as the Kachingle stats?
                bonq
                  @lkrubner Nope, not at all I'm afraid.
                  lkrubner
                    @bonq - why do you think you have been successful whereas Kachingle has failed?
                    bonq
                      @lkrubner We have a product that fits internet usage better. Besides we smell much better, I heard ;)
                      lkrubner
                        @bonq - yes, but why does your product fit internet usage better? Name one specific thing. Do you feel Kachingle is too complex? Do you think it has UI issues? What?
                        bonq
                          @lkrubner When you flattr you flattr a specific piece of content. With kachingle it was a certain domain. All our accounts can both give and get, they have "site accounts" for the creators. Our button looks/works as a FB-like, Tweet button, not theirs etc.
                          lkrubner
                            @bonq - I see. You Flattr specific content. People prefer this over the @kachingle style of subscribing to a domain.
                            bonq
                              @lkrubner Don't think it was domain subscription. People love to say why they support and what they like, something you automatically do when flattring e.g. a blogpost, photo or a video.
                              bonq
                                @lkrubner would be fun to hear your thoughts as you should have some insights into kachingle.
                                lkrubner
                                  @bonq - well, I can state the obvious: they are struggling to find an idea that will excite users
                                  lkrubner
                                    @bonq - some internal chaos. Too much focus on engineering and not enough focus on user psychology. Very slow to consider changes to the model. More experimentation would be good, more listening to users
                                    bonq
                                      @lkrubner Chaos is great, it should be used! I think their current idea can work. The main problem for me is that it's not a sexy product, startup-internet-sexy.
                                      lkrubner
                                        @bonq - what would be sexier? If you were CEO of Kachingle, what would you change?
                                        bonq
                                          @lkrubner I would start with paying my employees.
                                          lkrubner
                                            @bonq - ha ha ha! Well, in the end, that is just a symptom of larger problems.
                                            bonq
                                              @lkrubner Does not matter, one can not make a product that asks people to "be nice" and not be nice oneself.
                                              lkrubner
                                                @bonq - hiring someone with a vaguely defined dual role and then getting angry about the vagueness - multiply that by a 100 and you get a sense about the decision making process
                                                bonq
                                                  @lkrubner hehe, sounds like a bad chaos.
                                                  lkrubner
                                                    @bonq - there is some irony, for sure, in promoting oneself to developers, as a solution to their monetary woes, while not paying ones own developers.
                                                    bonq
                                                      @lkrubner Yepp. But it's bad/sad we need more companies that does voluntary payments. Constructed scarcity is not the way forward.
                                                      lkrubner
                                                        @bonq - I think you mean putting price tags on apps is a form of constructed/artificial scarcity? You would prefer it if all apps worked on a donation basis?
                                                        bonq
                                                          @lkrubner Any digital content has no cost related to copies, selling them like that is based on a constructed scarcity. Apps might have cost related to usage, but not installs. So yes there too.
                                                          lkrubner
                                                            @bonq - ah, yes, I agree 100% about constructed scarcity. That's why any developer with software to sell should contact me :-) I can set up a site like wpquestions.com for their software and we can split the revenue. I think paid support is a viable model
                                                            bonq
                                                              @lkrubner Bounties are a great way to solve problems for people, but I don't think it's a great solution for apps. Hard to make stuff people don't know they want/need with bounties.
                                                              lkrubner
                                                                @bonq - I am not sure what you mean . I have paid out a lot of money to Wordpress plugin developers who use wpquestions.com as their support forum. They send their users to my site, and I send them money in return
                                                                lkrubner
                                                                  @bonq - suppose you create software for editing photos. You give it away free. How do you handle support? Create a forum where people pay to ask questions. The profits then fund further development of your software
                                                                  bonq
                                                                    @lkrubner That is really awesome, but isn't it bounty based? Can't find a "what is page".
                                                                    lkrubner
                                                                      @bonq - I am not sure how you define "bounty". The whole community votes on how the money should be split.
                                                                      bonq
                                                                        @lkrubner That's why put software as it's own sentence in the previous post. It's a bit different and e.g. support, bug fixes, dev etc. Still paying to install is still not logical. Usage is a more logical way to pay, e.g. SaS.
                                                                        bonq
                                                                          @lkrubner Bounty based funding is normally a version of "I want this done, I pay this to the one who does it."
                                                                          lkrubner
                                                                            @bonq - in the beginning it was more a bounty system, but that was often unfair. Once we switched to a voting system in which the active community could participate, the unfairness disappeared
                                                                            bonq
                                                                              @lkrubner Sounds like a great change, it's still bounty-based to me =) Never the less bounties are really great for development. Maybe not for doing apps, full software or games, but development is so much more!
                                                                              lkrubner
                                                                                @bonq - I might be stupid. What is the argument against bounties? Other than unfairness? The goal is to develop steady income streams for software projects, yes? To be clear: the app creator does not themselves answer questions.
                                                                                bonq
                                                                                  @lkrubner I have nothing against bounties just saying I don't see it as a replacement for the way people pay for software right now. Same as fund-raising is no replacement. Complements absolutely and probably a replacement is combination of solutions.
                                                                                  lkrubner
                                                                                    @bonq - I am very confused. What do you mean by "the way people pay for software now"? Just a few tweets ago you said payment for software was a kind of artificial constructed scarcity.
                                                                                    bonq
                                                                                      @lkrubner Yes it is, but that is how people pay for software today. I'm just saying I think it's a very bad way to pay.
                                                                                      lkrubner
                                                                                        @bonq - but you are open minded about new ways of funding software?
                                                                                        lkrubner
                                                                                          @bonq - I suppose people could Flattr a page on wpquestions.com, if they found the information on the page especially useful? I would only have to implement Flattr?
                                                                                          bonq
                                                                                            @lkrubner as I'm saying I think that constructed scarcity is bad thing it's quite obvious I would love new ways of funding software!
                                                                                            bonq
                                                                                              @lkrubner yes, absolutely, just add the button, very easy. Check developers.flattr.com
                                                                                              lkrubner
                                                                                                @bonq - I like the idea of Flattr. I will implement it on my sites when I have some time this weekend.
                                                                                                bonq
                                                                                                  @lkrubner Great! You should add it on user level so community can flattr each other for great answers they write =)
                                                                                                  bonq
                                                                                                    @lkrubner And there you have the difference between what is possible with flattr an kachingle =)
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                                                                                                    lkrubner
                                                                                                      @bonq - that is an interesting point.