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benbrooks
    Guys, Tapbots have always been greedy. Why are you surprised? It's not a bad thing, just a thing. Though this ADN move is dickish. Who gives a crap, just tank their monthly ratings if you are that pissed.
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    joshuaarnao
      @benbrooks what makes this ADN move dickish, I'm missing something.
      benbrooks
        @joshuaarnao they went free in order to get a larger share of cash from ADN. Since ADN pays developers based on use.
        bradleychambers
          @benbrooks Why do you think they are greedy?
          benbrooks
            @joshuaarnao so they couldn't make good money selling it, so instead they are going to grab money from a different source.
            benbrooks
              @bradleychambers even 256 characters isn't enough for that.
              scientifics
                @benbrooks @joshuaarnao They did say they were already making more from ADN. Also, if they get a lot of inexperienced users who don't vote, doesn't that keep them from getting the payout?
                korbi
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                  bradleychambers
                    @benbrooks I guess I don’t see the problem with it. It’s a cross on a free app + IAP model to me.
                    carragold
                      @benbrooks that's a real low tactic to use. Their app is solid, but the way they go about conducting their business is questionable. @joshuaarnao
                      stuartgibson
                        @benbrooks @pth yeah. How dare they charge a reasonable amount of money for the work they do?
                        treestman
                          @benbrooks It’s not based on use, but rather the monthly ranking, isn’t it? @joshuaarnao
                          benbrooks
                            @korbi ADN pays devs based on usage and ratings. They stand to make more by being the most popular even if free. (I'd guess)
                            eyes
                              @benbrooks I dunno, maybe dickish in the short term but if it gooses the numbers for ADN that could be a positive long term for all developers. I think the key is for them to offer the things that Tapbots can’t/won’t offer and make people switch.
                              benbrooks
                                @stuartgibson I don't care about price of the app, this move undercuts others than do charge. In more than one way.
                                rafaelconde
                                  @benbrooks but how is that a dick move? Is not that they're putting ads, the user experience is the same, users get for free because they're getting paid from the *service*. They get more money, users, and it's an incentive for new people to join. Right?
                                  cunarders
                                    @benbrooks @pth What’s the issue here? The punter gets it for free, @tapbots get paid from another source. If their product is excellent/crap, they get paid accordingly. We shouldn’t be attempting to pervert this by deliberate sabotage. Why the hate?
                                    benbrooks
                                      @eyes ok, but it's pretty egotistic to think that's what they will do by going free, bringing in more users. It's not like they can give free ADN accounts.
                                      korbi
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                                        eyes
                                          @benbrooks but it seems to be true. There was a big spike when they released it and there seems to be another, smaller spike when they went free. It’s weird that saving $5 would make any difference, but it has.
                                          dlo
                                            @benbrooks @pth really? you’re mad at a business for trying to make money?
                                            xstex
                                              @benbrooks Wait so, a business changing tactics to make more money (that's the point of a business!) while additionally helping the platform and users (willingly or not) is a bad thing? The only dickish thing is your post. @pth @tapbots
                                              spangborn
                                                @dlo @benbrooks @pth Capitalism is evil! Seriously though, they spent time on the app. That has to be recouped somewhere.
                                                marramgrass
                                                  @benbrooks @eyes Was there not an obvious spike in new users when Netbot was released? Which suggests that however egotistic it sounds, it may be accurate?
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                                                    jdscolam
                                                      @korbi @benbrooks @eyes it looks like a bit of a competitive switch to me. Make it free to pull marketshare (and incentive share) from a steadily rising #Felix. Hope to outlast competitors based on current revenues and incentives.
                                                      eyes
                                                        @jdscolam not sure how much pressure they’re feeling from felix but I am sure that they need more people using ADN before it is a worthwhile market for them to spend time in. Netbot is a placeholder until they feel like spending resources.
                                                        mattflaschen
                                                          @benbrooks it's not dickish at all. Company or not, they have every right to make a free app, and to use the incentive program. I don't think that's the only factor though. I think part of it is genuinely to increase ADN usage (build a market).
                                                          joshuaallen
                                                            @benbrooks Really wish that the Iconfactory folks would release ADN support for Twitterifc 5 @gedeon?
                                                            padraic
                                                              @pth @benbrooks let them run their business. This is not a charity. We should all stop being so righteous and let the community purchase and incentives incent
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                                                                robd
                                                                  @benbrooks No problem here with this move by Tapbots. Let them make money. Pay them money. They make a quality product. Even at $5 it was a deal. Remember the $45 Palm apps? Seems like everyone has forgotten those.
                                                                  bassguy
                                                                    @benbrooks @pth This is a pretty silly thing.
                                                                    alexk
                                                                      @jdscolam @korbi @benbrooks @eyes it's similar to the Walmart strategy: Ruin the market by dropping prices and starve the competition. Then, when you are the only one in the area, raise prices again to ridiculous levels.
                                                                      adrianus
                                                                        @alexk Obviously for that play to succeed, they need the cooperation from #adn with respect to DIP distributions.....
                                                                        nicoles
                                                                          @xstex @benbrooks @pth @tapbots gotta say, I agree with @xstex. I have mad love for a bunch of the adn devs, and it seems like this is a net positive for the platform.
                                                                          alexk
                                                                            @marramgrass @benbrooks @eyes the first spike being (solely) Netbot's doing is debatable, since right before NetBot came out (~12h or so) ADN dropped its price.
                                                                            alexk
                                                                              @adrianus yea. Also I said similar. I don't think starving the market is TapBots goal at all. But the move feels slightly shady. But still, it is a "fair" business move and they have every right to do as they see fit.
                                                                              ryancummins
                                                                                @benbrooks It seems to be good for them and ADB. For their competitors, the rising tide lifts all ships. It got me to pony up and join.
                                                                                kerry
                                                                                  @benbrooks I respectfully disagree. Rather than rely on the one time sale of the app for income they can depend on reoccurring developer payments. Not that much different than how you run your website paywall.
                                                                                  jaredsinclair
                                                                                    @padraic I don’t begrudge them wanting to make more money. That’s why we’re making apps! But this move risks the long-term viability of App.net for a short-term increase in the dev incentive cut. @benbrooks
                                                                                    jaredsinclair
                                                                                      @padraic If we’re teaching customers to expect “free” while apps duke it out over ever-diluted portions of a fixed incentive program, how is that an inspiring market for new app developers? @benbrooks
                                                                                      tesla
                                                                                        @benbrooks how does this show their greed? I'm a little confused.
                                                                                        smallsharptools
                                                                                          @alexk @jdscolam @korbi @benbrooks @eyes That won’t happen. With Walmart it’s a distance convenience thing. Consider email with Eudora, Yahoo mail, Google mail, etc. Netbot won’t always be on top.
                                                                                          smallsharptools
                                                                                            @alexk @jdscolam @korbi @benbrooks @eyes What Netbot is doing is growing the ADN user base which benefits everyone.
                                                                                            kerry
                                                                                              @jaredsinclair If people are already paying for a fancy phone and access to the platform, they will pay for quality apps. You've been doing great work and that speaks volumes in a nascent platform.
                                                                                              clarkgoble
                                                                                                @alexk did Walmart raise prices? Problem with Walmart was it drove the midrange products out because public couldn’t understand quality differences.
                                                                                                alexk
                                                                                                  @clarkgoble didn't they? I'm relaying that strategy how I was taught it. We don't really have Walmart in Germany. I mean we do, but they are not a presence by any means really.
                                                                                                  danielschaaff
                                                                                                    @benbrooks FWIW netbot is no where near the best app.net client, it's just familiar because of twitter. The design trend for iOS apps is also moving away from heavy tapbots style design. Give it some time and I think people will find their way other Apps
                                                                                                    clarkgoble
                                                                                                      @alexk big problem I've heard from Walmart isn't high prices but buying so much product small companies get over extended and Walmart leaps in and takes over (or replaces)
                                                                                                      racemase
                                                                                                        @alexk @marramgrass @benbrooks @eyes Back then for me it were both things: Netbot AND the pricedrop that made me sign up.
                                                                                                        clarkgoble
                                                                                                          @alexk there's competition on Walmart to keep prices low by Target, Kmart and Costco even though each has slightly different targets.
                                                                                                          robd
                                                                                                            @benbrooks We should support good app development. Sometimes I buy apps I’m not going to use just because they are excellent apps that are well designed.
                                                                                                            holamau
                                                                                                              Hey, @Tapbots is in the business of making money. It is quite ridiculous to get pissed at them because they give their app for free. If a paid app is perceived as a better option than the free, it would be greedy (and stupid) no to get the paid one.
                                                                                                              ass
                                                                                                                @benbrooks @pth why would you tank their ratings? They are giving away their app for free and making money on the backend. Sounds like a new business model to me.
                                                                                                                padraic
                                                                                                                  @jaredsinclair @benbrooks free apps are a fact of life. Presumably the incentive program scales with the ADN user base. If not then that is the core problem
                                                                                                                  cdevroe
                                                                                                                    @benbrooks @pth What in the crap was this all about? Greedy is not the right term. What a jerk Ben.
                                                                                                                    edporras
                                                                                                                      @benbrooks you lost me at “have always been greedy”.
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                                                                                                                        tullyhansen
                                                                                                                          @jaredsinclair @padraic @benbrooks But it’s not fixed, right? If a top-tier app available free can entice users to the service (granted—big “if”), that pot gets larger. FWIW, I didn’t use my campaign App.net account until Netbot launched, but then I paid.
                                                                                                                          padraic
                                                                                                                            @tullyhansen @jaredsinclair @benbrooks can't imagine the pool is fixed. Would make no sense. But I don't know for sure.
                                                                                                                            seanthomas
                                                                                                                              @benbrooks what is your beef? Lots of iOS developers have sales and special offers. Why come down on Tapbot? I paid for their iPhone app but I’m delighted to get their iPad app for free.
                                                                                                                              mattflaschen
                                                                                                                                @padraic agreed. I just assumed it would roughly scale (maybe a bit less now that file hosting is included). If not, then it's clearly less of an incentive.
                                                                                                                                marramgrass
                                                                                                                                  @alexk @benbrooks @eyes Not solely, certainly, but given the prominence of TweetBot it was surely a significant factor.
                                                                                                                                  brianpartridge
                                                                                                                                    @benbrooks it’s a legit business decision. They encourage community growth with a great free client and they get paid back from the network for that value. You’re overreacting.
                                                                                                                                    charliefulton
                                                                                                                                      @benbrooks good grief why do you think they are greedy? Because they release well designed awesome software and expect you to pay for it?!! The horror! #buyaclue //cc @pth
                                                                                                                                      jaydisc
                                                                                                                                        @benbrooks Is not charging for Google Docs dickish? Selling OS X for only $20 dickish? Of course not. It's just leveraging one part of a biz to make more in another. Wrongfully calling people dickish is dickish.