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slackerstyle
    Would like to see App.net reduce it's price to $12 a year for the basic service now it's proven the market demand with the raise. Lets open the gates and get some users in here. @dalton.
    duerig
      @timhaines Let him work through the backlog of people who have already paid first. :)
      man
        @timhaines me too. that does not seem to be a popular opinion with the developers in here (opening the floodgates). my guess is you're about to have a buttload of them bitch about that statement.
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          man
            @q haha, i know i know, i can't argue that we need respectable tools, and TIME to build them. at the same time it's hard to know *what* we're building if we don't know *who* we're building them for.
            slackerstyle
              @q @man @duerig let the early adopters early adopt. They'd help sort the ecosystem.
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                man
                  Agree 1,000%, but there are a few super vocal devs w/ their panties in a bunch about that. >> @timhaines: @q @man @duerig let the early adopters early adopt. They'd help sort the ecosystem.
                  dalton
                    @timhaines pricing debate aside, we need to be very mindful of being able to take on the technical scaling challenges.
                    slackerstyle
                      @q @man dude, it's supposed to be a platform. You build the app you want for it.
                      slackerstyle
                        @dalton Is it feasible to open the gates to larger groups of people at a time? Grow in 50k chunks or something?
                        feorlen
                          @q @man You want to see non-technical users adopt organically? Start by talking about non-technical stuff of your own. We are all our own users at this point.
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                            duerig
                              @q I do believe you have an unusual definition of cool... :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvWYw0CnuSI
                              orian
                                @timhaines it doesn't sound like it at the moment, nor does that seem particularly advisable to me. What's the point?
                                allidryer
                                  @feorlen Or talking about technical things in an vivid and accessible way.
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                                    man
                                      Ok I'm going to step [my ego] back and watch from more of a distance while some of these kinks get ironed out. I have nothing to prove/promote. No agenda. Just a desire to be better (as naive as that sounds).
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                                        jimbo
                                          @timhaines aren't we rather missing a USP for opening the floodgates? We've all paid up because we [ see the vision | potential, like a challenge | novelty ] but why would anyone else pay even 1$ when it has nothing tangible new to offer? Yet! :)
                                          dalton
                                            @timhaines yes we are going to try to have 100% of alpha invites out in next few days, and make sure everything is humming along nicely along the way
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                                              jordanbrock
                                                @dalton I'm sure you've got your own agenda, but I think it'd be great if, once the invites are done, you take a few days to bill us, get the money and sit down and plan. Focus on features, not growth. That's what the funding should allow you to do. IMHO:)
                                                dalton
                                                  @jordanbrock the good news is that I am just one of a 12 person team, and that I spent most of today planning. But point noted :)
                                                  katie
                                                    @dalton had you recruited the team before funding or have most come on board in the last few days?
                                                    slackerstyle
                                                      @jimbo It's people using it that'll make it. The content flowing on the network. I don't think a USP is going to come about that would be more valuable than basic good content.
                                                      dalton
                                                        @katiemoffat we are the same team that built picplz plus some other stuff. The App.net codebase is actually a descendant of the picplz codebase :)
                                                        mikevardy
                                                          @dalton You said "planning" and my #productivity sense started tingling...what do you use to plan? What software? i'd love to hear it.
                                                          art
                                                            @dalton what are the consequences of that from VC point of view?
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                                                            mikevardy
                                                              @ryanwebster I use pen/pencil and paper to outline and brainstorm, but apps are my thing for task management. // @dalton
                                                              mikevardy
                                                                @dalton Ah, the ever-elusive "inbox zero". I imagine it's much tougher to get to that number these days! // @ryanwebster
                                                                katie
                                                                  @dalton ah of course, excellent.
                                                                  dalton
                                                                    @art I've talked about this a bit in my join.app.net announcement blogpost: http://daltoncaldwell.com/an-audacious-proposal as well as several interviews. The benefit is we have a 2.5 year old codebase+experienced team
                                                                    ryanwebster
                                                                      @mikevardy @dalton The lost artform of paper and pen. I still find I can do twice the amount of planning/strategy with good old low fidelity.
                                                                      dalton
                                                                        @mikevardy that is correct. But I will get it down to 0 again... somehow :)
                                                                        grahamashton
                                                                          @mikevardy Are you into planning "todo list" style, or are you a software dev too?
                                                                          mikevardy
                                                                            @grahamashton To-do list style. But my philosophy is for people to stop focusing on "doing" productive and to start "being" productive. http://vardy.me/the-way-of-the-productivityist-a-manifesto/
                                                                            mikevardy
                                                                              @ryanwebster Totally hear you. Sometimes you have to disconnect to actually connect.
                                                                              billkunz
                                                                                @ryanwebster @mikevardy Same here. When I'm in a more general, "mapping" zone, nothing beats notebooks and pencils. When it comes to breaking things down into line items, Things is treating me well. Reminders for throwaway errand lists.
                                                                                mikevardy
                                                                                  @billkunz For tasks that involve little to no consistent communication with others, I'm an OmniFocus guy (Things let me down with no sync for what was almost forever). For collaborative task management, Asana is my huckleberry. // @ryanwebster
                                                                                  grahamashton
                                                                                    @mikevardy Nice post. I've buffered it. A lot more organised than my ramblings on the topic (http://effectif.com/productivity).
                                                                                    billkunz
                                                                                      @mikevardy @ryanwebster OmniFocus is a great tool! I used it for a while. Had a chance to chat with some of the team at WWDC a few years ago. Very cool. I switched mainly to simplify my software. Asana was very good on my last project that needed it.
                                                                                      mikevardy
                                                                                        @grahamashton Thanks. It's kind of my "thing".
                                                                                        dalton
                                                                                          @orian I have a solid inbox zero technique from years of practice, haven't had to declare email bankruptcy once thus far. I am sub 200 already
                                                                                          orian
                                                                                            @mikevardy I started jotting ideas down for my How App.net Can Change Everything blog post on post-its, which were then transitioned to a paper pad which eventually became a bulleted outline in a google doc which then became a fully fleshed out post.
                                                                                            orian
                                                                                              @dalton I believe you. I'll be expecting an email reply to the Siftee invite I sent you soon :P
                                                                                              grahamashton
                                                                                                @jordanbrock @dalton Agreed. It's not going to need tens of thousands of users immediately to be useful, fun, and worth coming back to.
                                                                                                jimbo
                                                                                                  @timhaines I don't disagree at all.. just a bit of a Catch-22 to get footfall of normal 'users' and their $'s at the moment I suspect.
                                                                                                  dalton
                                                                                                    @grahamashton well we have more than ten thousand signed up, we just need to get them all into the alpha. But yes, point understood :)
                                                                                                    mikevardy
                                                                                                      @orian Whatever works, right? Too many people adopt a systems and then get stuck working the system instead of just doing the work that the system is supposed to enable them to do. (Gave said post a quick look. It's in my Instapaper queue for tomorrow.)
                                                                                                      orian
                                                                                                        @mikevardy there are vestiges of my brain growing mold in dozens of productivity tools at this point I think
                                                                                                        mikevardy
                                                                                                          @orian You and me both! That said, I get paid for it...so there's that.
                                                                                                          jordanbrock
                                                                                                            @dalton a 12 "Awesome" person team :) Keep going!