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zero
    I’ve gone through a lot of my followers, followers. Looks like we follow almost all of the same people. I’ve been trying to find a few new interesting people to read.
    sabbatical
      @zero Likewise, but I'm lazy. Lets start a recommend-a-follow club.
      mschechter
        @sabbatical @zero Discovery is so damn difficult these days. And same here with that whole lazy thing...
        berg
          @sabbatical @zero recommend-a-follow sounds awesome. just an annotation w/ a list of user IDs. someone could aggregate those and build a tool to tell you who you should follow. i know @adrianus is interested in this stuff...
          adrianus
            @ablaze isn't this something you can do with a search on users based on keywords in their description? The "find users" on the top of this page lets you find people easily: http://appnetizens.com/profile // @berg @sabbatical @zero
            ablaze
              @adrianus @berg @sabbatical @zero Sure, but I want to be able to browse a self-sorting list of thriving rooms and join them and see who's already in there.
              adrianus
                @ablaze Rooms have already been created where you can go with people for discussion, or do you mean it different from this: http://appnetizens.com/threadchat
                ablaze
                  @adrianus Yeah, that's the foundation, but I don't just want the topics to be arbitrary. I want them to be affinity groups for people based on things they've declared in their profiles. And I like @sabbatical's idea about letting users vet each other.
                  chadhs
                    @ablaze @adrianus @berg @sabbatical @zero I love the rooms to join idea, that way you can chat on a topic in real time and perhaps choose not to muddy up your main feed bombing your followers with a ton of posts.
                    sabbatical
                      @chadhs @ablaze @adrianus @berg @zero Wonder If anything like this is already in the works by a third party. @dalton, you know anything?
                      ablaze
                        @sabbatical @chadhs @adrianus @berg @zero I was talking to @dalton about it today. That's why I brought it up.
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                        orian
                          @ablaze @sabbatical @chadhs @adrianus the way the private messaging api is shaping up it should facilitate group communication even in a public way
                          johngordon
                            @ryantharp Classifications to add: medical conditions, politics, autism-spectrum, politics, science, news, parenting, elder care, travel, bicycle etc.
                            duerig
                              @johngordon Not sure, but I think you can add new things directly by going to that page and logging on.
                              duerig
                                @johngordon Apparently not. @ryantharp Bug Report when logging in: Fatal error: Call to a member function getSession() on a non-object in /home/customwe/public_html/adn.api/callback.php on line 38
                                ryantharp
                                  @johngordon awesome, I'll add the ones I don't have. Thanks for the feedback.
                                  33mhz
                                    @ryantharp We can get stuff like HAM op, server op, etc possibly later, too.
                                    johngordon
                                      @ryantharp I plan to test tomorrow. Thanks!
                                      johngordon
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                                        johngordon
                                          @ryantharp Have you seeen Adecuate Ontology of interests from W3C? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2012May/0016.html Good source for Llama.
                                          johngordon
                                            @ryantharp Llama: I don't think we can browse Google's KG ontology of interests, but this is interesting: http://www.wdyl.com/# Google KG "what do you love". Example: http://www.wdyl.com/#cosmology Pretty cool.
                                            johngordon
                                              @ryantharp I tried to find Yahoo's old web classification hierarchy, but it looks like it quietly vanished many years ago... #llama
                                              johngordon
                                                @ryantharp #llama - ok, last one for now. Would be interesting if we could tag others people's posts. So make tagging true metadata external to post ownership.
                                                ryantharp
                                                  @johngordon No I haven't seen that yet. I'll post it on the site as a resource for inspiration.
                                                  ryantharp
                                                    @johngordon wdyl.com seem more like a meta search engine. No actually tags there.
                                                    ryantharp
                                                      @johngordon http://web.archive.org/web/20000301053337/http://www.yahoo.com/ is probably the best way. Though you'd probably have to play with the time line a bit. Thanks for coming up with the idea for #llama hashtag, I hadn't though to do that yet.
                                                      ryantharp
                                                        @johngordon Also reminds of http://www.dmoz.org/ but not sure if everything is applicable.
                                                        ryantharp
                                                          @johngordon There's no reason post objects can't use these. However you'd need to tag your post when posting, as there's no editing on ADN after the post is submitted. Maybe the permissive messaging stuff will be mutable. /cc @orian @berg @mthurman #llama
                                                          clarkgoble
                                                            @ryantharp @johngordon @orian @berg @mthurman I truly wish ADN did allow editing if only in a 15 minute window to avoid abuse. There's been many a time I've written only to see an egregious typo.
                                                            clarkgoble
                                                              @johngordon @ryantharp If you use an ontology list I'd suggest a small set of categories rather than trying to really represent posts. The problem is the if you have too many the UI for any casual use becomes unwieldily. I'd skip the big ontology lists.
                                                              clarkgoble
                                                                @johngordon @ryantharp Having a more exactly ontology would be nice but the reality is you'll never get anyone to tag things. That would leave bayesian or rule based tagging which is a pain and wouldn't work well with 256 character posts.
                                                                clarkgoble
                                                                  @johngordon @ryantharp Effectively you're doing thesaurus tagging with posts that short - perhaps improved if you look at conversation threads or past posts by a user.
                                                                  duerig
                                                                    @johngordon We have come up with a way to tag posts even though they are immutable like @ryantharp says. You make a special machine only post as a reply and store the tag there. We have not yet implemented metaposts, but I intend to.
                                                                    ryantharp
                                                                      @clarkgoble @duerig Editing can be implemented in clients by using a delay before post as @dalton has pointed it out before. However no client has done this, including my own as it would take some reworking. Those typos sure are annoying. =]
                                                                      ryantharp
                                                                        @clarkgoble @duerig Yes, we're going to focus on the tags users are actually requested and using. However overtime, when we switch the UI from check boxes to a more traditional text-based auto-complete tag UI that should help out a bit.
                                                                        ryantharp
                                                                          @clarkgoble @duerig Possibly. I'm also looking into auto-categorization, I've done some work with this in the past. Luckily auto-categorization won't require writing anything to the API or having to share across clients.
                                                                          duerig
                                                                            @ryantharp Well one reason they don't is because adding an additional half hour rtt between messages in a conversation would be awful. Not to mention what would happen if the user closed a browser window before the time was up. Best to think of it as email
                                                                            clarkgoble
                                                                              @ryantharp @duerig Let me know if you need any help. I'm swamped for at least an other month and a half and then my time opens up. I have a categorizer I'd written during the height of the .com boom which did a lot.
                                                                              clarkgoble
                                                                                @ryantharp @duerig It was optimized for queries/ontologies that were megabytes in size. Had some huge contracts with it in the financial markets until the crash happened then all our clients were bankrupt. Has some nice ways to combine bayesian & rules.
                                                                                ryantharp
                                                                                  @duerig I'm still on the fence about using ADN for data journaling. Those system will be hard to maintain over time as response time decreases and more data is required to load in. I think @q's QC design with it's own DB is the way to go /cc @orian @berg
                                                                                  ryantharp
                                                                                    @duerig Very true. Though I'm sure 60 seconds would be the recommendation maximum. My own thoughts were more towards 30 secs or so, and I'd might tweak after implementation. See how it felt. Can use a server side queue to hold it for the browser closing.
                                                                                    clarkgoble
                                                                                      @duerig @ryantharp Don't know the ADM backend so I can't speak. Modify the database entry and then send a signal out it changed. Most forums and even WP plugins do this now. Question is scaling which is probably real issue. Has to be done by ADM though.
                                                                                      duerig
                                                                                        @ryantharp Wait. You mean metaposts when you mention journalling?
                                                                                        ryantharp
                                                                                          @duerig Using multiple posts to store data, which read in order back in would bring the state up to date.
                                                                                          orian
                                                                                            @johngordon @ryantharp I would like to be able to tag posts.
                                                                                            duerig
                                                                                              @ryantharp I would at the least want to see how messages work before trying that. But metaposts don't work like that. They are a post about a post by a third party. So you may read a post w/o caring about metaposts but they are useful in discovery or tags.
                                                                                              duerig
                                                                                                @orian Well, having a real replies endpoint that only returns immediate replies would help with tagging. :) But really, the problem is that I keep getting distracted by other projects and have a job.
                                                                                                orian
                                                                                                  @duerig yeah I've heard this request several times. Sounds like something we should consider doing. I don't know if anyone's filed an issue specifically on this.
                                                                                                  ryantharp
                                                                                                    @duerig So, metaposts are machine_only replies (by anyone) that add tags to a post? How would you easily search all posts for a tag then?
                                                                                                    johngordon
                                                                                                      @duerig excellent and exciting too. It is fun to watch the code warriors at play.
                                                                                                      johngordon
                                                                                                        @clarkgoble Yes, for now we live in the age of good-enough tags. If tags are meta, might be a place for tag-hygiene bots. // @ryantharp
                                                                                                        johngordon
                                                                                                          @clarkgoble Second! Even four minutes would do it. At least we can delete.
                                                                                                          johngordon
                                                                                                            @ryantharp I forgot dmoz! Those were the days my friend ...
                                                                                                            johngordon
                                                                                                              @ryantharp Still a neat project. Has old-Google feel.
                                                                                                              fields
                                                                                                                @duerig @johngordon @ryantharp machine only, as it’s implemented, is a terrible hack. @orian
                                                                                                                ryantharp
                                                                                                                  @fields oh how would you change it?
                                                                                                                  johngordon
                                                                                                                    @clarkgoble Strangrly enough, I have a professional interest in that domain. ESP big medical ontology/ knowledge base v
                                                                                                                    fields
                                                                                                                      @ryantharp I’d like to see a real field of app- and protocol-specific post filterings/authorization. A single hidden stream is just the start.
                                                                                                                      ryantharp
                                                                                                                        @fields ah I see. I think permissive messaging and filter API will address some of this.
                                                                                                                        orian
                                                                                                                          @ryantharp @fields it will address a lot of it, including many use cases for machine only posts.
                                                                                                                          clarkgoble
                                                                                                                            @johngordon I'm just getting a new management team setup with my chocolate company so I don't need to do as much there, then doing some stuff for Adobe and then I'd love to talk about it with you.
                                                                                                                            clarkgoble
                                                                                                                              @johngordon Right now we're merging that ontology system I developed 10 years ago with an underlying text database engine we'd originally started developing for a bid to run eBay on. We'd put it on the back burner for a few years but are getting it going.
                                                                                                                              clarkgoble
                                                                                                                                @johngordon Love to throw it past you come January.
                                                                                                                                jdscolam
                                                                                                                                  @fields @duerig @johngordon @ryantharp @orian @clarkgoble I still maintain that an out-of-post tagging system would be of huge benefit to #ADN. I still have the #RapptorMods code, API, and DB up for doing just that if anyone wants to play.
                                                                                                                                  ryantharp
                                                                                                                                    @jdscolam I agree, didn't know this was already built. Cool stuff.
                                                                                                                                    ryantharp
                                                                                                                                      @duerig just randomly found an old thread talking about metaposts, @joshblake indicates that you would delete older posts when update, so better than the journaling I was talking about.
                                                                                                                                      ryantharp
                                                                                                                                        @clarkgoble @duerig yea let me know when you have some time. Always looking for people to work with.
                                                                                                                                        fields
                                                                                                                                          @orian @ryantharp cool. Are there details anywhere on how that will work?
                                                                                                                                          duerig
                                                                                                                                            @ryantharp You wouldn't search for all posts with a tag. You would see the tags of people you follow. And you would see all the tags in a thread. These are much more useful IMO.
                                                                                                                                            duerig
                                                                                                                                              @fields I don't think machine only is itself a terrible hack. Some of my uses of it have been terrible hacks. :)
                                                                                                                                              duerig
                                                                                                                                                @fields Agreed with you about protocol filtering and issue 33. I have high hopes for messages in this regard.
                                                                                                                                                johngordon
                                                                                                                                                  @jdscolam I agree. Tagging posts I want to find or process also helps community. Goes with search, tag #RSS feeds, IFTTT processing. Problem: tag spam.
                                                                                                                                                  fields
                                                                                                                                                    @johngordon @jdscolam you can solve that by making tag visibility concordant with your follows graph.
                                                                                                                                                    orian
                                                                                                                                                      @fields not really, we want to publish the spec when the service is live. We're getting quite close.
                                                                                                                                                      fields
                                                                                                                                                        @orian can I comment on it before you release it? :)
                                                                                                                                                        jdscolam
                                                                                                                                                          @fields @johngordon I agree here, the plan was to show the top five tags per post (easy to compute, easy for users), allow auto-complete on any tag. Duplicates of a tag for a post given by different users would equate to a +1. //@ryantharp @duerig
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                                                                                                                                                            @fields @johngordon @ryantharp @duerig the foundation of all this was/is already built. Details would need a little code work, but not a ton.
                                                                                                                                                            duerig
                                                                                                                                                              @jdscolam I think any forward progress on tagging would be worthwhile whether it be server or metapost-based. I ended up getting into the patter/vidcast stuff so lost forward momentum on it myself. :/ So much to do here. cc/ @johngordon @ryantharp
                                                                                                                                                              jdscolam
                                                                                                                                                                @duerig @johngordon @ryantharp as I said earlier, if I could just find a way to sustain it, then I think i could make a compelling argument for client authors to include it in their clients.
                                                                                                                                                                johngordon
                                                                                                                                                                  @jdscolam Good plan. With auto-complete should we start with W3C interest ontology? Not so important to have users author ontology.
                                                                                                                                                                  jdscolam
                                                                                                                                                                    @johngordon not a bad idea... I really need to think about it and run some ideas by @ryantharp.