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    @cgiffard You're saying you'll be able to sign and verify and all this. Maybe it's all OSS, too. But it still won't matter except at that gatekeeper level.
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      @cgiffard like E-mail. The masses will use Google Social, your dad will use Yahoo Social, and you and I will run our own Me Social or Fastmail Social, etc.
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        @cgiffard Yes… I disagree that that will actually be reliable or real, though. Thus small networks where you have relationship with the gatekeeper. In practice, a useful (used) decentralized system will be managed by knowledgeable gatekeepers anyway.
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          @cgiffard Decentralized, the source is only as trustworthy as itself, which will be useless unless you know the source already.
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            @cgiffard The content on a centralized system is only as trustworthy as the system, of course. No proof is needed, because you can get it from the source.
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              @cgiffard meh. I can't argue this area, because I just don't see it as a real concern. In practice, I mean.
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                @cgiffard Hm. I don't believe you would be OK with it being small. :) The encryption is to verify that it really was you? But any place displaying it could claim you verified it. That you could prove you didn't could be meaningless.
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                  @cgiffard Do you want a Twitter replacement? My opinion is against Twitter scale. I want to avoid that size.
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                    @cgiffard You said there are cost benefits to small networks to be centralized. My opinion isn't really a technological one, it's social.
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                      @cgiffard I'm not forgetting those. They have huge costs for being distributed, and that's OK because they're used widely (thought Bittorrent is on a lower level of "widely"). Saturday I got seven E-mails that were sent 12 or more hrs earlier.
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                        @cgiffard I like small communities, and am skeptical of media effects from mega social networks -- and I'm skeptical of small decentralized networks (because you're giving up a lot of benefits without gain).
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                          @cgiffard and with a common API, and maybe backend, the ability to export and import, move, hook up large networks if they want to, seems useful.
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                            @cgiffard (adding endpoints or improving is great, but the core concept is straight-forward)
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                              @cgiffard I'm personally enjoying the idea of a common API, effectively, so a lot of footwork can be easily adopted. ADN and Twitter are a genre of social network, after all, that don't need much besides what they have.
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                                @cgiffard and if it's going to not matter much, it might as well be centralized.
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                                  @cgiffard It's not important to me that the data be decentralized, personally. For it to be useful, it has to be mainstreamed, IMO. Anyone can decentralize, and have, numerous times. It just hasn't mattered much.
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                                    @cgiffard but in a possibly much slower-moving sort of decentralization. Real decentralization would want to be from-scratch, new beast. A clean break from ADN.
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                                      @cgiffard to me, there's an idea to build a decentralized service, and there's an idea to have a service that is basically a centralized service with hooks to other major services… such that you have the ability to continue if one stops…
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                                        @cgiffard What does that mean other than stop including "canonical_url" and adding a GUID?
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                                          @cgiffard afaik, most of them were unofficial. But yep, it's only a little helpful. 😊